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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:04 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Good news! They have both, and so does Mueller.

What is this legal justification for accessing Trump's private tax records?
Is this coming from a judge?

IRS investigators already have access to Trump's tax returns (it's literally their job).

IRS investigators are only allowed to access records if there is a reason to believe that the records are pertinent to their investigation. They are not allowed to simply look at any records that they feel like looking at.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Mueller's authority has been granted by the Department of Justice, and he has also been working with multiple Grand Juries to secure warrants for a variety of different things.

The Department of Justice has not granted Mueller authority to look at any tax records that are not pertinent to his investigation.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:05 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Okay, a march of guys with swastikas beating up and even murdering counter protestors while being called "good people" from the President is nothing to be concerned about.

Trump did not refer to any neo-nazis as good people. Neither did he refer to anyone who engaged in violence as good people.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:07 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Oh, they have the right to march. On the other hand, when violence breaks out, like it did the day before the march, the cops have the right to call off the march and send people home.

We can't allow the Democrats to silence people by being violent every time someone says something they don't like.

We really need to outlaw the Democratic Party in America while we still have a Constitution.


Blickers wrote:
Care to point out the "good people" on the white supremacy side in that video?

Trump was not referring to any white supremacists as good people.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:10 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Quote Finn:
Quote:
The president didn't call the white supremacists "good people." I know that's the narrative you want to push but it is simply false. He said there were "good people" among the demonstrators who were against the removal of the statue. I don't know how he knows that to be true but then you can't know that it is false.

The sentence in red does not justify the rest of your post. Once again, in this video show me all the "good people" that are apparent.

Why are you presuming that this video captures everything and everyone who was protesting?

The "good people" according to Trump are the ones who peacefully opposed removing the statues while not being involved with any neo-nazi or kkk nonsense.


Blickers wrote:
If you can't, then you can't justify Trump's pandering to the Klan/Nazis in sympathy with those Unite The Right marchers surrounding the few counter protestors, beating and murdering them.

Trump was not pandering to anyone, least of all the Klan or neo-nazis. Nonexistent pandering requires no justification.
snood
 
  5  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:16 am
@oralloy,
If you were with a bunch of people who started chanting "Blood and Soil! The Jews will not replace us!", would you immediately leave, or just ignore it and just keep marching or hanging around?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:17 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The president didn't call the white supremacists "good people." I know that's the narrative you want to push but it is simply false. He said there were "good people" among the demonstrators who were against the removal of the statue. I don't know how he knows that to be true but then you can't know that it is false.

This is false.

Finn's facts appear to me to all be correct.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Trump specifically said there were 'good people's at the Friday night rally.

Yes. As Finn said, Trump was referring to the people who peacefully opposed removing the statues without being connected to any neo-nazi or KKK nonsense.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
The one, yaknow, featuring a bunch of white dudes with torches chanting anti-Jew slogans and other white supremacist slogans.

The fact that neo-nazis hold a march doesn't mean people who are not neo-nazis cannot peacefully oppose the removal of a statue.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Who were the good people at such an event?

They were the ones who merely opposed the removal of the statue without being involved with any neo-nazi or KKK nonsense.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Would you have stuck around?

I've never been to a protest, so I don't have personal experience to draw on. It would probably depend on if there were other people who shared my views who were also sticking around.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Would you think that anyone who marched while chanting racist slogans was a 'good person?'

Probably not. But it all depends. Sometimes lonely and depressed people get drawn into hate groups the same way they can get drawn into a cult. I'd hesitate to call such a messed up person "evil".


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Trump does,

Nonsense.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
he said exactly this.

He said nothing of the sort.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
He said this because he believes that good people do these things and associate with people who do these things.

The only people who Trump referred to as "good people" are the ones who peacefully opposed removal of the statue without being involved in any neo-nazi or kkk nonsense.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Frankly there's one person here pushing a false narrative about Trump's words, and it's not the people you are responding to.

Actually the Democrats have lied constantly about Trump's words.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Why are you still defending the guy?

Innocent people deserve to be defended from untrue accusations.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
You ******* know he is a scumbag, you're to smart to be one of the fools who blindly follows his idiocy. So why continue?

While I'm not the person you directed that to, I think Trump is turning out to be a fine president.

Of course, I'm not blaming him for any of the untrue things the Democrats say about him. That probably makes a difference.
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blatham
 
  4  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:24 am
@ehBeth,
Yeah. Doncha have the suspicion that Pence is wrestling with deeply-held fantasies involving Category 5 women?
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:27 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
If you were with a bunch of people who started chanting "Blood and Soil! The Jews will not replace us!", would you immediately leave, or just ignore it and just keep marching or hanging around?

I probably wouldn't have even recognized "blood and soil" as being related to neo-nazis.

"Jews will not replace us" sounds creepy though. I'd have recognized that as bad.

It would depend on the size of the park and whether there were other people who shared my views who were sticking around. If there were a lot of people with various views in various corners of the park, I'd probably try to find the people that I agreed with and stick with them.

If I was alone in representing my views, I might ask the anti-neo-nazi group if they'd welcome someone who supported the statues but opposed neo-nazis. I guess the left is pretty intolerant and unwelcoming though, so that'd probably fail.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:29 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Multiple news sources report that President Plump wants Anti-Fascist Action to be declared a terrorist organization.

Good for him. I hope he succeeds.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:31 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
oralloy considers some of the armed militiamen to have been good guys. They basically claimed to support neither side and were just there to prevent violence and exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

And most importantly, to defend people's first amendment rights.


hightor wrote:
I consider them to be idiots, grown men playing soldier.

Why such contempt over the exercise of our rights?


hightor wrote:
Whether their presence substantiates the president's claim that there were "good people" (on both sides) is up for discussion. But according to Finn, the "good" people were among those demonstrating against the removal of the statue. Since the militiamen claim to have been neutral it would be inaccurate to deem them as part of the good guy contingent as they were on neither "side".

I'd count them as good guys despite their neutrality.

The good people who were protesting the removal of the statue would be the ones who were not associated with neo-nazis or the KKK and who protested peacefully.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:34 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Very funny.

Actually, there are a lot of liberal views I've held from very early here, but dyed in the wool partisans elect to gloss over those and use Bush support as their sole criteria--which is their prerogative, but a flawed assessment of a 180 degree recalculation.

The liberals here tend to never take notice when I take a leftist position either. I think it's because they are impervious to reality.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 05:35 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
In 2015, there were how many fatal shootings in Japan?
One.

I'm sure it is a great comfort to Japan's murder victims that they weren't killed with a gun.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 06:01 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Today it's revealed that Pence was in the room when Trump wrote the first draft of his Comey firing memo. Had the memo handed to him and everything.

Later, he went on TV and insisted that the firing was ONLY due to Rosenstein's recommendation. No other reason. He literally bore false witness on TV, the man is a liar as bad as Trump.

He also insisted over and over again that he knew nothing of Flynn's problems - despite being the head of Trump's transition team. That was a lie as well. I'm beginning to think that Pence has a very small chance of surviving this, he is actively engaged in the same Obstruction of Justice that Trump is.

Neither one of them has engaged in any sort of obstruction of justice.

Not that it would matter. Bill Clinton has already established the precedent that it's OK for a president to commit obstruction of justice. But no need to invoke the Clinton precedent right now though. As I said, neither Trump nor Pence has engaged in anything even remotely approaching obstruction.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 06:03 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
vomitous
Quote:
Betsy DeVos’s Title IX Rollback Is a Victory for Men’s-Rights Groups

Vomitous that those horrible feminists will no longer be able to ruin innocent people with false rape accusations?

This is a very good thing that is being done here. It is wrong to ruin people with untrue accusations.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 06:04 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
Evil or Very Mad I think more than the crooked way they tried to get Russian help with the election, the people Trump put in charge of these offices just burns me up. Devos is the worst in my opinion out of a bunch of horrible people put in charge of departments they don't believe in. She is a betrayer to young women in colleges across the US.

Young women will be fine. Someone needed to stomp on those nutcase feminists who were ruining innocent people with untrue rape accusations.

Thanks to Mrs. DeVos, young men will now be fine as well.
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Lash
 
  1  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 06:22 am
@oralloy,
I don't recognize the intended meaning of "blood and soil."
blatham
 
  3  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 06:34 am
Here I am at my work place. It's a refuge, of sorts. Weighty matters every hour, every minute sometimes. Lots of responsibility. So when I'm here trying my best to Make America Great Again, the last think I want is distractions like family. That can be a real buzzkill.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJQO-GoW0AAHBvj.jpg
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MontereyJack
 
  8  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 07:02 am
@oralloy,
pra;;pu says
Quote:
As I said, neither Trump nor Pence has engaged in anything even remotely approaching obstruction


Fortunately the Mueller team is giving oralloy's opinion the amount of attention it so richly deserves: none.
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 07:02 am
The old jokes about swampland real estate in Florida again applicable.
Quote:
Eric Holthaus‏Verified account @EricHolthaus 22h22 hours ago
NHC Update, 11am:
Hurricane Irma remains a catastrophic threat to Florida. Its eye size doubled overnight, peak winds = width of the state.
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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 9 Sep, 2017 07:15 am
This seems legit.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJQHkRbX0AAyPFu.jpg
 

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