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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 09:35 am
and is more and more the case, interesting coverage in teenvogue's news and politics section

I've posted about the new influencers there and why they matter. Worth taking a look at. Not Vogue, teenvogue. That's where really interesting things are happening - like vox in terms of arrival on the scene - but with perhaps better editors.

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/president-trump-sued-over-daca-decision-by-15-states-and-washington-dc

good reading with excellent sourcing and links
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BillW
 
  4  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 10:34 am
@blatham,
blatham, regarding "I don't know of any greater problem facing America", I will reply to this part. Unfortunately, the next step after "Controlling information" of "authoritarian/totalitarian regimes" is to then put out their own lies as fact without now a means of rebuttal.

Sadly, this is currently trying to be achieved also; by control of:

1) the press
2) centers of higher learning
3) and, centers of research.

This isn't just Trumpian - the VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) has been working on this for years!

blatham wrote:

Quote:
The evidence seems to show, rather, that the increasing strength of the climate case has made no dent whatsoever on the US conservative movement’s denial. Whatever their opinions might be sensitive to, it is not the work of scientists.

...For decades, the case that climate change is a threat has grown stronger and deeper. It has had no effect whatsoever on the trajectory of the US conservative movement. Here at the tail end of all those papers and reviews and meta-reviews, all those explainers and videos and infographics, we have an administration appointing idiots who say things like “the climate has always changed” to lead the agency in charge of climate research.

...For years, US political and media elites have treated GOP climate denialism as a kind of peculiarity, an idiosyncrasy, occasionally to be mocked or “fact-checked” but mostly, like climate change itself, to be politely ignored.

Now it seems climate denial was a canary in the coal mine, harbinger of a more thoroughgoing alienation from mainstream understanding of the world, leaving the right “unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science,” as Ornstein and Mann so memorably put it.
Vox

Controlling information is a fundamental tool of authoritarian/totalitarian regimes. I don't know of any greater problem facing America than this isolation of a sector of the population within it's epistemological bubble.
BillW
 
  3  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 10:36 am
@blatham,
I don't do Twitter or Facebook......

BTW, I am very sorry you missed my triple entrendre from my 1st post yesterday, not often I come up with something that deep! (Even though I did have to repeat it three times, that isn't what I mean Rolling Eyes )
Blickers
 
  3  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 11:06 am
@blatham,
Quote Talking Points:
Quote:
Rush Limbaugh will be evacuating South Florida, just days after the popular conservative radio host claimed that Hurricane Irma would not hit the United States and that scientists and the liberal media were hyping up the hurricane as proof of their global warming “lie.”


Quote blatham:
Quote:

The proof there is no just and all powerful god is that this guy has not been crushed into slime by a falling piano.

Do you agree to join the faithful when Rush gets caught on camera in flagrante delicto with a well underage illegal immigrant boy?
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Setanta
 
  6  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 12:17 pm
If you look around the web over the last week, it is glaringly evident that the (Russian?) plan to distract from Trump by resurrecting the undead political corpse of H. Clinton has enjoyed a good deal of success. Clinton, rather than President Plump, has become the center of way too many political discussions.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 12:58 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
vomitous
Yes. I haven't written much on DeVos since her nomination simply because my anger is going to get the best of me. This is a despicable family, top to bottom.
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 01:04 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
To conservatives who have distrusted Trump all along, this proved their suspicion that the president was not a true conservative.

Golly. Who could have predicted this response.

PS... John Podhoretz is the only individual who has ever blocked me on twitter.
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snood
 
  4  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 01:05 pm
@Setanta,
I believe there is some concert of effort by the Russians and right wing conservatives to keep Hillary front and center, dodging incoming.

However, I also wish that Hillary wasn't using her book and her book tour to excorcize the doubts and demons of the 2016 election. I can't imagine she really thinks it does any greater good than her bottom line and peace of mind. IMO she (and we) would have been much better served if she had just done some intense personal therapy, talked it all out, and spared us having to rehash the hateful fiasco.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 01:17 pm
@BillW,
Quote:
This isn't just Trumpian - the VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) has been working on this for years!
Indeed. Trump has jacked this up to a point that surprises even cynical me but everything he's doing was prepared earlier.
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 01:18 pm
@BillW,
Hey man. You can't go deep with someone as shallow as myself. I beg mercy.
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 01:43 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
If you look around the web over the last week, it is glaringly evident that the (Russian?) plan to distract from Trump by resurrecting the undead political corpse of H. Clinton has enjoyed a good deal of success. Clinton, rather than President Plump, has become the center of way too many political discussions.
No kidding. Russian trouble-makers don't necessarily have to be a part of this strategy but they almost certainly are taking part. Given the broad and consistent failures of conservatism under the Trump administration even with GOP control of both houses, supporters in RW media aren't left with much to talk about. They can lie about Trump "accomplishments" (and boy do they) and they can set to filling the media space with their standard fare of lefty demons of which Hillary is the most demonic (aside from the vile and criminal colored people).

I think also this ought to be seen as a continuation of the strategy to divide the left and to reduce Dem voter enthusiasm and turnout as the next two electoral cycles approach. So, it's not going to get better any time soon.

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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 02:01 pm
https://www.wsj.com/articles/poll-highlights-lingering-divisions-in-the-gop-1504811662

truly

2 different parties sharing a roof

Quote:
More than 60% of President Trump’s primary voters said they were uneasy with social changes that have made the U.S. more diverse and tolerant, versus 35% of Republicans who supported other primary candidates


Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll

Quote:

Republicans who voted for Mr. Trump in the 2016 primary approve almost unanimously of the job he is doing as president, with some 98% backing him. But his approval rating among Republicans who voted for other primary candidates stands at 66%.

The divisions that emerge in the poll help explain persistent tensions between Mr. Trump and GOP leaders in Congress, who generally came from the ranks of Republicans who resisted his unorthodox candidacy in the 2016 campaign.


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GOP primary voters split on one prominent Trump issue: immigration.

Among those who voted for Mr. Trump in the primaries, 59% said immigration weakens the U.S. Among primary voters who backed other candidates, the same proportion, 59%, said immigration strengthens the nation.

Immigration was a far more central issue to Trump supporters than to other Republicans: 50% of Trump primary voters said the immigration issue had an impact on how they voted, while 24% of other GOP primary voters said immigration factored into their vote.



this bit seems odd to me

Quote:
Republicans splintered over views of their own party. Among Trump primary voters, 75% said they have positive feelings about the party; only 58% of other GOP voters felt positively about the party.


some kind of cognitive dissonance being worked out there

___

it's a WSJ poll/article so not mentioned about results on the Democrat side

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And primary-season divisions linger in Democrats’ views of their own party. The survey found that 84% of people who supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary had a positive view of the party. Just 53% of those who supported Bernie Sanders had a positive view.
reasoning logic
 
  -1  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 02:02 pm
@BillW,
Quote:
blatham, regarding "I don't know of any greater problem facing America", I will reply to this part. Unfortunately, the next step after "Controlling information" of "authoritarian/totalitarian regimes" is to then put out their own lies as fact without now a means of rebuttal.

Sadly, this is currently trying to be achieved also; by control of:

1) the press
2) centers of higher learning
3) and, centers of researchwThis isn't just Trumpian - the VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) has been working on this for years!


Do you think that the DNC is out of the loop or without fault when it comes to the VRWC? Do you find the DNC to be angels so to speak and that they do not try Controlling information as if they are an authoritarian/totalitarian regime? They put out their own lies as facts as if they have no means of rebuttal. Do you find it to be impossible for the DNC and the RNC to be in bed with each other


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ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 02:05 pm
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/political-divisions-are-widening-and-long-lasting-wsjnbc-poll-2017-09-06

Quote:
U.S. political divisions reach far beyond Washington policy to fall along economic, cultural, geographical and educational lines. But more importantly, the polarization predates the rise of President Donald Trump, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News survey has found.

The wide gulf is visible in an array of issues and attitudes: Democrats are twice as likely to say they never go to church as are Republicans, and they are eight times as likely to favor action on climate change. One-third of Republicans say they support the National Rifle Association, while just 4% of Democrats do. More than three-quarters of Democrats, but less than one-third of Republicans, said they felt comfortable with societal changes that have made the U.S. more diverse, the poll revealed.



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One measure of how much more polarized the electorate is than a generation ago can be found in views of the president. Eight months into the 1950s presidency of Republican Dwight Eisenhower, 60% of Democrats approved of the job he was doing. That level of cross-party support for a new president remained above 40% until Bill Clinton, when only 20% of Republicans approved of his performance after eight months in 1993. For Barack Obama, Republican support dropped to 16% at this point in his presidency in 2009.

Trump’s job-approval rating among Americans overall has remained in recent months at about 40%, but just 8% of Democrats approve of the job he is doing, the survey found. By contrast, 80% of Republicans approve.



Quote:
Fully 80% of those surveyed saw the country as mainly or totally divided. But Democrats and independents tended to see the division as rooted in economics—the income gap between the rich and the poor. Republicans saw the split as political, with people divided based on their party affiliation and the media outlets they prefer.




more to think about at the link
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BillW
 
  3  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 02:09 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:

this bit seems odd to me

Quote:
Republicans splintered over views of their own party. Among Trump primary voters, 75% said they have positive feelings about the party; only 58% of other GOP voters felt positively about the party.


some kind of cognitive dissonance being worked out there

___

it's a WSJ poll/article so not mentioned about results on the Democrat side

Quote:
And primary-season divisions linger in Democrats’ views of their own party. The survey found that 84% of people who supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary had a positive view of the party. Just 53% of those who supported Bernie Sanders had a positive view.


These are revese situational results with the same predictable outcome to me and seem normal. Voters not with tRump, who won and is pResident, are worried about the future of the party; whereas, voters with Bernie, who lost to HR in the primaries, are worried about the future of the party. Anyways, that's how I see it - inverse proportionality.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 02:17 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
this bit seems odd to me
Quote:
Quote:
Republicans splintered over views of their own party. Among Trump primary voters, 75% said they have positive feelings about the party; only 58% of other GOP voters felt positively about the party.

some kind of cognitive dissonance being worked out there

This doesn't surprise me, Beth. It seems likely that the "other GOP voters" would include those individuals who are more comfortable with nuance and reduced certainties (dissonance, as you say). The "Trump primary voters" on the other hand, need things simple re Trump and re their party.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 02:25 pm
@BillW,
Quote:
voters with Bernie, who lost to HR in the primaries, are worried about the future of the party.

We probably ought to note here that Sanders' campaign was rather like Luther's campaign against The Church (too big, too ritualized, too corrupt, too far distant from the core principles). Aside from whether or not that story is accurate, it's no big surprise his followers would question the Dem party.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 02:33 pm
I ain't buying this story.
Quote:
Two NC Republicans say they accidentally asked the Supreme Court to end gerrymandering
News Observer

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BillW
 
  2  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 02:48 pm
@blatham,
.... putting it mildly blatham - don't forget that Bernie wasn't a Dem, oh, then again, tRump wasn't a Repuke either!
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 8 Sep, 2017 03:07 pm
@BillW,
He was a freaking socialist! A Bolshevik! Cross a warn out old teddy bear with Rasputin and you've got Sanders.

On the other hand, I think he boinked Zsa Zsa Gabor, so there's that.
 

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