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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 12:12 pm
@maporsche,
Where would you say you fall on the political spectrum?
maporsche
 
  4  
Thu 7 Sep, 2017 12:22 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Where would you say you fall on the political spectrum?


I think I know where you'd put me. Laughing

Really though it depends on the the issue. Looking at this list (link below), I agree with mostly 'liberal' positions, although not necessarily in their entirety. For example, I am a gun owner and I believe that the 2nd amendment means that individuals can own guns for their protection. At the same time, there are too many freaking guns in the USA and people are dying left and right. There is a middle ground here that neither the far left or the far right will support, but the majority in the middle probably do. There are other examples, but no one cares.

https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

But Edgar and Lash will call me a Republican and an enemy of their causes. So who knows.
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maporsche
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 12:28 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,


I'm glad she's going on a book tour. Better this year than next or than in 2020. I'm looking now to see if/when she's coming to Chicago. I'd love to hear her speak or maybe even meet her.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 12:42 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Demanding a departure from our current level of political corruption puts me in good company. I'm among a huge and growing activist contingent forcing change. Democrats will move back left, or lose, or do what they should do, and admit they're Republicans and let progressives have the party.


Yaknow I'm sorry, but I don't buy this for a sec. You don't seem even slightly interested in attacking corruption unless there's a Democratic party member involved. Where are your posts bemoaning how insanely corrupt Trump is? Maybe I missed them.

Quote:
I question anyone who doesn't want to attack political corruption.


I question the motives of those who do so towards a single party only.

Regarding the other bit about progressives, the problem isn't the overall goals of modern progressives, it's the tactics and organization. I'm an actual leftist liberal (instead of a fake one like you) and I think a lot of our current Progressives are ******* stupid. I mean, literally unintelligent. They don't know how politics works or how to get laws passed and they don't know how to sell their policies to the public, who frankly is skeptical. There are basic and fundamental problems with the modern Progressive movement that will prevent them from EVER taking power, unless they are corrected. Having noble goals means less than nothing if you can't even begin to achieve them, which is where they are at now.

Happy to go into whatever further depth about those issues you like -

Cycloptichorn
revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 7 Sep, 2017 01:07 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Her unnamed former surrogate disagrees with you.


Not too brave was he or she? I usually form my own thoughts, I know it is hard to believe since I pretty well support the democrat platform all down the line. The only one I have issue with is abortion but, my thoughts on that are complicated.
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 7 Sep, 2017 03:11 pm
In Alabama, Moore is leading Strange 52% to 36%. If anyone can make America great again, it's Roy Moore.
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blatham
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 03:29 pm
Things appear to be going swimmingly.
Quote:
Quote:
Lou Dobbs ✔ @LouDobbs
Death of a Rino- @realDonaldTrump’s debt ceiling deal w/ the Dems renders Do-nothing Paul Ryan completely obsolete. #Dobbs #MAGA #TrumpTrain
4:50 PM - Sep 6, 2017


Dobbs is a staunch defender of Trump, and characterized the president’s siding with Democrats as a result of Republicans holding up his agenda. In a strange move, Dobbs described Democrats as more willing to play ball with Trump.

“Contrast Ryan’s inane insults, his obstinance and subversion of President Trump to the behavior and rhetoric of Democratic leadership of late,” Dobbs said. “They’ve calmed themselves. They’ve been far more conciliatory in their rhetoric over recent weekends and now Ryan is fully exposed to the nation.”

Dobbs went even further, repeatedly calling Ryan a RINO — a “Republican in name only.”

“The president not only took RINO Ryan to the woodshed but eliminated any need for any Republican to ever pretend again that Ryan is a real Republican in any way or that any RINO has a political future after Mr. Trump simply booted the hapless fool of a speaker out of the way of those trying to get the nation’s business done,” Dobbs said.
Vox
ossobucotemp
 
  1  
Thu 7 Sep, 2017 03:35 pm
@blatham,
Lou Dobbs, why do I somehow remember that name?
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 7 Sep, 2017 03:58 pm
@blatham,
They don't make enough popcorn for weeks like this. I'm surprised not to see more commentary here as the last several days have been crazy. More from me later on Trump's new Dem alliance and how stupid he is for pursuing it.

Cycloptichorn
snood
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 03:59 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Where are your posts bemoaning how insanely corrupt Trump is? Maybe I missed them.

Careful you don't get an eyestrain.
snood
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 04:01 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

They don't make enough popcorn for weeks like this. I'm surprised not to see more commentary here as the last several days have been crazy. More from me later on Trump's new Dem alliance and how stupid he is for pursuing it.

Cycloptichorn

Please tell me why it's certain he can't turn this apparent willingness to deal with Dems to his own advantage.
blatham
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 04:03 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Did you ever own an Encyclopedia Britannica? I think their entry for "windbag" has a pen/ink illustration of Dobbs' face.
blatham
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 04:10 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Quote:
Re: Cycloptichorn (Post 6498858)
Quote:
Where are your posts bemoaning how insanely corrupt Trump is? Maybe I missed them.


Careful you don't get an eyestrain.

Yeah. We life-long liberals are deeply moved by Lash's lefty bonafides and sincerity. Who better to coach us on proper leftism than Lash?
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blatham
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 04:13 pm
Quote:
David Fahrenthold‏Verified account @Fahrenthold 2h2 hours ago
I've reached out to all 12 charities designated to receive @realdonaldtrump's donations. Will update you when the $ arrives.
We all knew, I expect, that David would be on top of this one.
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 7 Sep, 2017 04:15 pm
One of the reasons these guys are so dangerous is that they aren't stupid.
Quote:
Koch Brothers Will Push Congress to Protect DREAMers
Daily Beast
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 04:32 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

They don't make enough popcorn for weeks like this. I'm surprised not to see more commentary here as the last several days have been crazy. More from me later on Trump's new Dem alliance and how stupid he is for pursuing it.

Cycloptichorn

Please tell me why it's certain he can't turn this apparent willingness to deal with Dems to his own advantage.


No problem:

The Dems themselves loathe Trump and their base absolutely hates his guts. No willingness on his part to do deals with the Dems will change the fact that he's a scumbag and a fool, and a dangerous loose cannon WRT international politics. He's also a turncoat - as he lacks any ideological motivation other than to self-promote endlessly, the Dems couldn't work with him in good faith on any sort of long-term basis as they KNOW he would stab them in the back at the first opportunity to do so.

I say that last part with confidence as he's just done exactly that to his current purported allies. Why wouldn't he do it to the Dems? He would if he thought it benefited him to do so. So, there's never going to be even a hint of trust there from the Dems' side. What more, the Dem base (me and people like me) would crucify our leadership if they started doing anything other than transparently manipulate his stupid ass.

This deal that Trump agreed to is a trap and he's too stupid to see it. It gave the Dems what they wanted policy-wise (Harvey Funding, shortest-possible debt ceiling increase) in exchange for literally nothing on Trump's side. The deal is ultimately a terrible one for Trump in three ways:

First, it directly alienates and infuriates his biggest allies in Congress (Ryan and McConnell). They were shell-shocked when Trump abruptly announced in the middle of their meeting that he was going with the Dem plan - the very same one Ryan had called 'Ridiculous' only an hour earlier in press interviews.

Second, it inserts the Dems into basically every negotiation from here on out. He's loving the positive attention and is very likely to pursue further bipartisan deals. This means that his agenda is essentially dead as the Congressional GOP isn't going to go along with this at all, or whatever ends up passing will essentially be a Dem bill. Just disastrous for the Conservative position. There will be no further GOP-only bills this cycle.

Third, the debt ceiling wasn't put off far enough to help the GOP at all. In fact, it's going to hit in December now (another low work month for Congress) and the tough negotiations there will come up at a very, very bad time for the GOP, with several major bills that will be unpassed at that point and an election right around the corner.

So, a huge tactical blunder. Just a tremendous one. Especially in light of the Russia investigation. If Trump pisses off the GOP Congress, who does he think is going to protect him?

Cycloptichorn
ossobucotemp
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 04:52 pm
@blatham,
I was a child who only saw encyclopedias in my elementary school (I remember looking up some south american animal, a coati) and the nunnery (er, my high school). At ucla I spent untold hours in a special library, in memory a heaven on earth, nothin' I couldn't learn.

Brittanica? I've heard of it, of course, but was way busy back then in childhood. Our friend Harvey, a guy I've mentioned on a2k before, usually about food, wrote a Brittanica piece, but by now I forget what it was about. He was a full prof/USC. My husband had been in one of his lit classes. I was in between in age. His wife had died, know he loved her. We started going out to get food in Los Angeles, as he didn't drive, and spent years of happiness doing that,
blatham
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 04:53 pm
Quote:
CNN‏Verified account @CNN 2h2 hours ago
It's official: No storm on record, anywhere on the globe, has maintained winds 185mph or above for as long as #Irma http://cnn.it/2xQFpU6
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 7 Sep, 2017 04:56 pm
@blatham,
Good thing we have a leader who's totally prepared to deal with unprecedented disasters.

Cycloptichorn
blatham
 
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Thu 7 Sep, 2017 05:00 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Cool story, darling. Dobbs used to be on CNN and that's likely what's triggering a memory. He's loud, pompous and unbright.
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