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Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 06:56 am
@oralloy,
What seems to be the problem with the Democratic Party? Did it make your mommy cry?
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 07:51 am
Quote:
US petrol prices have risen after a key network of pipelines was shut in the wake of Hurricane Harvey, sparking fears of a squeeze on fuel supplies to major US cities.
The hurricane has already forced the closure of nearly a quarter of US oil refining capacity.
Colonial Pipeline said it was closing its pipelines delivering diesel, petrol and aviation fuel along the East Coast.
European traders are scrambling to provide additional supplies.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41107007
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 08:27 am
@fbaezer,
fbaezer wrote:


And he says he's not a Fascist.

And he isn't. He just really dislikes the Democrat Party

Conservatives, even Trump supporters, who adhere to the basic principles of democracy are fine .

Well, that's big of you.

Fascists and Neo-Nazis are not.

True, but really who is arguing they are?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 08:53 am
@fbaezer,
fbaezer wrote:

Pardon, not the suit, the uniform.
With a starched brown shirt.


As you know "Brown Shirt" is synonymous with violent political activism.

On A2K, the closest thing to violence is mud-slinging.

Look at the exchanges between oralloy and his critics and tell me who is the more violent.
Cycloptichorn
 
  6  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 08:53 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Sure, not a fascist, just likes to propose things that are indistinguishable from Fascism, all in the name of achieving permanent supremacy for his preferred political party.

Good news is that he's an utter nutjob and practically nothing he proposes will ever become law. It's instructive for the rest of us, though, in that he's the kind of person who will never believe anything negative about Trump and is likely to attempt some sort of half-assed revolt when Trump is eventually booted from office.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
  5  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 08:59 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

fbaezer wrote:

Pardon, not the suit, the uniform.
With a starched brown shirt.


As you know "Brown Shirt" is synonymous with violent political activism.

On A2K, the closest thing to violence is mud-slinging.

Look at the exchanges between oralloy and his critics and tell me who is the more violent.


Oh, Oralloy is. He merely directs his mud-slinging toward a third party, all whilst constantly retreating into totally unproven and frankly ridiculous assertions when challenged on the things he says.

Cycloptichorn
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 09:03 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Sure, not a fascist, just likes to propose things that are indistinguishable from Fascism, all in the name of achieving permanent supremacy for his preferred political party.

Good news is that he's an utter nutjob and practically nothing he proposes will ever become law. It's instructive for the rest of us, though, in that he's the kind of person who will never believe anything negative about Trump and is likely to attempt some sort of half-assed revolt when Trump is eventually booted from office.

Cycloptichorn


I think his call for abolishing the Democrat Party is wrongheaded and have told him so. He disagrees which is fine. There is a lot more to fascism than abolishing political parties.

If Trump is booted out, and it is perceived to have been unfairly and for political reasons only, we will have to worry about considerable turmoil.
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nimh
 
  4  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 09:03 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
On A2K, the closest thing to violence is mud-slinging.

Look at the exchanges between oralloy and his critics and tell me who is the more violent.

As conservatives like to point out when this kind of comparisons come from the left, speech is not violence.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 09:05 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:



Oh, Oralloy is. He merely directs his mud-slinging toward a third party, all whilst constantly retreating into totally unproven and frankly ridiculous assertions when challenged on the things he says.

Cycloptichorn


An unsupported assertion, but you're entitled to pile on if you like.
Cycloptichorn
 
  6  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 09:08 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:



Oh, Oralloy is. He merely directs his mud-slinging toward a third party, all whilst constantly retreating into totally unproven and frankly ridiculous assertions when challenged on the things he says.

Cycloptichorn


An unsupported assertion, but you're entitled to pile on if you like.


Haha, it's an unsupported assertion for me to claim that he makes ridiculous assertions and uses them as the foundation for his defenses?

Do I really need to link you to the numerous posts he's made in just the last few days, in which he claims that there's no chance Trump did anything wrong, that none of his associates did either, that they have nothing to fear from State of NY investigation, and that the whole Mueller thing is a 'Dem witch Hunt?'

Cycloptichorn
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 09:09 am
@nimh,
nimh wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
On A2K, the closest thing to violence is mud-slinging.

Look at the exchanges between oralloy and his critics and tell me who is the more violent.

As conservatives like to point out when this kind of comparisons come from the left, speech is not violence.


Of course it's not violence, which is why I wrote the closest thing to violence.

Oralloy was called a Brown Shirt. His accuser can't possibly know that he is involved in political violence.

What would Brown Shirt tactics in a forum such as A2K look like?

Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 09:13 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Until you see Mueller's report, your assertions about what he will find are as ridiculous as those that assert he will find nothing.

Neither of you knows the outcome of all of this so right now you have dueling opinions. I appreciate that you think very highly of yourself, but then so does oralloy.
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Olivier5
 
  3  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 09:24 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Oral was called a Nazi because he likes to play the resident board nazi. Whether he really is Nazi or not is anybody's guess. But the proposal to ban the Democratic party is clearly both fascist and a total pipe dream, which is why I say he likes to play the resident board nazi.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 09:36 am
Quote:
A US federal judge has halted a new Texan immigration law on "sanctuary cities" just two days before it is scheduled to go into effect.
The bill aimed to force local law enforcement to obey requests from immigration officers to hold illegal immigrants for deportation.
"Sanctuary cities" came under fire from Donald Trump in an executive order during his first week as president.
The Texan law was due to come into effect on Friday.
But on Wednesday, a federal judge ruled it was unlikely to withstand constitutional tests, and prevented implementation of key parts of the bill, called SB4.
In a 94-page decision, US District Judge Orlando Garcia commented: "There is overwhelming evidence by local officials, including local law enforcement, that SB4 will erode public trust and make many communities and neighborhoods less safe."
"There is also ample evidence that localities will suffer adverse economic consequences which, in turn, harm the State of Texas."
He said the court could not "second guess the legislature" but the state could not violate the constitution.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41105121
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izzythepush
 
  4  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 09:38 am
Quote:
The US state of Texas has accepted an offer of flood aid from Mexico despite tension over President Donald Trump's proposed border wall and his threats to scrap a free-trade deal.
On Sunday Mexico offered vehicles, boats, supplies and food, reports said.
Mexican Red Cross volunteers have also travelled to the flooded city of Houston.
President Trump has not yet commented but Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has thanked the Mexicans.
"It's very generous of the government of Mexico to offer their help at this very, very challenging time for our citizens down in Texas and now moving towards the border of Louisiana as well," Mr Tillerson said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41107619<br />
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revelette1
 
  5  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 10:01 am
Peskov: Trump lawyer wrote to Kremlin, got no response (CNN)

Quote:
Moscow (CNN) — Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov confirmed Wednesday he got an email from Michael Cohen, US President Donald Trump's lawyer, asking for help moving a Moscow real estate deal forward, but said he did not respond and did not pass it to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Peskov was responding to a question from CNN on a conference call with reporters.

Cohen -- who was executive vice president of the Trump Organization at the time he sent the email -- said Monday that he had contacted the Kremlin for assistance in mid-January 2016 about building a Trump Tower in Moscow when the mogul was running for president, but denied that the project was related to Trump's campaign. But the revelation appears to contradict Trump's vehement denials of any such business connections to Russia in the past.


Cohen told CNN on Monday his message to Peskov was "an email that went unanswered that was solely regarding a real estate deal and nothing more."

Peskov confirmed that his office had located a copy of the email, which said the development deal wasn't moving forward and requested support.

He said the email was sent to the public "Press Office of the Kremlin" address -- which receives thousands of queries, relevant or otherwise -- and denied knowing Cohen personally.

While the Kremlin seeks to quickly answer queries related to the activities of the Russian president, Peskov said, those related to business are not normally responded to or passed up to Putin.

"This email said that a certain Russian company together with certain individuals is pursuing the goal of building a skyscraper in the 'Moscow City' district, but things aren't going well and they asked for help with some advice on moving this project forward," Peskov said. "But, since, I repeat again, we do not react to such business topics -- this is not our work -- we left it unanswered."

He added: "We cannot discuss with President Putin hundreds and thousands of different requests, which, by the way, come from a variety of countries."

Cohen revealed Monday that he had made the overture to Moscow at a point well into Trump's presidential campaign.

"In late January 2016, I abandoned the Moscow proposal because I lost confidence that the prospective licensee would be able to obtain the real estate, financing and government approvals necessary to bring the proposal to fruition," he added. "It was a building proposal that did not succeed and nothing more."

Cohen's own attorney provided documents to the House intelligence committee that included a reference to the Moscow project.

Cohen has been a central focus for investigators on the House intelligence committee who are digging into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia. He is one of only two people to have been subpoenaed by the committee so far; the other is former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn.

Trump's involvement and awareness of the negotiations remains unclear and there is no public record that Trump has ever spoken about the effort to build a Trump Tower in Moscow in 2015 and 2016. Trump denied having any business interests in Russia in July 2016, tweeting, "for the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia."
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 11:25 am
Politico - disgraceful

http://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/wuerker.jpg
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 11:32 am
So now "free speech" is a Nazi buzzterm and a trigger for unlawful activity.

Even in Canada!

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/30/free-speech-comedy-show-canceled-locks-smashed/?utm_source=hadaily&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=nl
Setanta
 
  5  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 11:37 am
Disgracefully hilarious . . .

On the issue of attempting to use a charge of fascism in place of an argument, it is hardly my fault if my interlocutor ignores or cannot understand my argument.

On the issue of saying someone is a fascist, when they propose outlawing one of the only two viable, national parties--if it looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck . . .

https://ww2resource.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/der-fuehrers-face-c2a9-walt-disney.jpg
izzythepush
 
  3  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 11:40 am
Quote:
Russia has been ordered to close its San Francisco consulate and two other annexes in response to "unwarranted" Russian action, the US has said.
The consulate, and annexes in New York and Washington, must close by Saturday.
The US state department's move follows Moscow's reduction of US diplomatic staff in Russia last month.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41115352
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