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emmett grogan
 
  3  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 06:59 pm
@glitterbag,
And then you get the WWII vet like my father in law who supports Trump to the hilt and finds no disconnect in hating Hitler and the GermanNazis and standing up for American Nazis and KKKers. He also has "concerns" regarding "Jew" bankers.
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emmett grogan
 
  4  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 07:00 pm
@revelette1,
Yeah because Trumps big crime is money laundering Russian money.
emmett grogan
 
  3  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 07:01 pm
@blatham,
I know, knock me over with a feather.
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blatham
 
  4  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 07:22 pm
@georgeob1,
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Just what "ideology" does your source believe De Vos is pushing ? Perhaps it is that parents of children should have a stronger voice in the education of their children than the American Federation of Teachers or the NEA. That is hardly a strange or radical idea.

You appear to be the chief purveyor of sappy ideology here. Moreover it often appears that you do so, unencumbered by any real knowledge of the subjects or their history about which you quote others and pontificate so assiduously
Odd charge to make given my degree is in Education and both brothers have post-grad degrees in the subject and both worked with the BC Department of Education after retiring from school administration.

As to DeVos, I expect you don't actually know much about her or her family's history. I'm also guessing that you didn't read Harris' piece under discussion but it would certainly be the case that his credentials in this subject are rather more impressive than yours. And they are certainly far more impressive than DeVos' credentials in education.
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Perhaps it is that parents of children should have a stronger voice in the education of their children than the American Federation of Teachers or the NEA. That is hardly a strange or radical idea.
In what manner or sphere should parents direct what happens in schools? Curricula? Biology (on studies involving vaccinations, say)? Geology (in, say, whether geological sciences are fake when in conflict with the Bible)? Should they be able to demand that homosexuals are kept out of schools because of their vile and unnatural tendencies? And what do you imagine is the influence of teachers' unions as regards what happens in a classroom and thus in the minds of American children?
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blatham
 
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Mon 28 Aug, 2017 07:26 pm
@Setanta,
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Between the devil and deep blue sea--Pence is a (more or less) successful politician and a fundamentalist loony. Perhaps he would be a better candidate to "have his finger on the button," but the thought of someone with some (although not much) legislative savvy in the office is chilling.
It's a dilemma.
blatham
 
  4  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 07:29 pm
Getting back to earlier discussion on the "antifa" crowd. Josh Marshall makes my argument but far better than I've made it.
Should We Be Punching Nazis?
emmett grogan
 
  3  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 07:31 pm
@blatham,
I sincerely hope Pence really, really, really needs his lawyers and defense fund. But that would give us Paul Ryan.

There's no really good hands in this deal.
emmett grogan
 
  4  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 07:50 pm

Quote of the Day: “I Will Get Putin on This Program and We Will Get Donald Elected”


Ben DreyfussAug. 28, 2017 1:12 PM

Metzel Mikhail/TASS/Zuma

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/quote-of-the-day-i-will-get-putin-on-this-program-and-we-will-get-donald-elected/

Last night, the Washington Post reported that Donald Trump was actively trying to put together a deal for Trump Tower Moscow while campaigning for the presidency in 2015. Today, the New York Times revealed a “series of emails” between Trump’s business associate Felix Sater and his lawyer Michael Cohen, in which Sater goes on at length about how the real estate deal could help Trump win the White House.

“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putin’s team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

The emails show that, from the earliest months of Mr. Trump’s campaign, his associates viewed close ties with Moscow as a political advantage. Those ties are now under investigation by the Justice Department and multiple congressional committees.

There is no evidence in the emails that Mr. Sater delivered on his promises…

In another email, Mr. Sater envisioned a ribbon-cutting in Moscow. “I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected,” Mr. Sater wrote.

I have no idea why these guys thought building a condo development in Russia would matter to voters in America, but then again, I never expected Trump to be president. as it is, so what the hell do I know. Anyway, you can read the whole thing here.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/quote-of-the-day-i-will-get-putin-on-this-program-and-we-will-get-donald-elected/

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emmett grogan
 
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Mon 28 Aug, 2017 07:51 pm
A Putin-Friendly Oligarch’s Top US Executive Donated $285,000 to Trump
The head of Viktor Vekselberg’s American subsidiary helped finance Trump’s inauguration.

David Corn and Dan FriedmanAug. 17, 2017 6:00 AM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/a-putin-friendly-oligarchs-top-us-executive-donated-285000-to-trump/

Russian President Vladimir Putin shakes hands with Renova Group Board Chairman Viktor Vekselberg at the Russia-USA Business Dialogue panel in St. Petersburg in June.Metzel Mikhail/ZUMA

Earlier this year, as Donald Trump, then the president-elect, was trying to counter news reports that Russia had hacked the 2016 election to help him win, the head of the American subsidiary of a Russian conglomerate owned by a Russian oligarch with close ties to President Vladimir Putin made a huge donation to Trump.

On January 6—the day the US intelligence community reported that Putin had approved a covert operation to subvert the presidential campaign to assist Trump—Andrew Intrater donated $250,000 to Trump’s inauguration fund.

Intrater is the CEO of Columbus Nova, the lone American subsidiary of Renova Group, a giant holding company owned by oligarch Viktor Vekselberg with interests in the metals, mining, chemical, construction, transport, energy, telecommunication, and financial sectors in Russia and abroad. Intrater, an American citizen, is Vekselberg’s cousin, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In June, Intrater also made a $35,000 contribution to a joint fundraising committee for Trump’s reelection and the Republican National Committee.

Intrater has no public history as a major political funder; his Trump donations dwarf his previous contributions. According to Federal Election Commission records, his only past political donations were $2,600 in 2014 to a business associate running as a Republican for Congress, $1,200 to Democratic New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson’s 2008 presidential campaign, and $250 to the late Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts in 1995. Intrater’s hefty gift to the inauguration fund earned him special access to inaugural events, including a dinner billed as “an intimate policy discussion with select cabinet appointees,” according to a fundraising brochure obtained by the Center for Public Integrity.

Vekselberg is one of Russia’s richest men. Bloomberg recently estimated his net worth at $15.5 billion. The same month that Intrater pumped that quarter of a million dollars into Trump’s inauguration bank account, Vekselberg publicly expressed hope for the lifting this year of the tough US and European economic sanctions imposed on Russia after it annexed Crimea and supported pro-Russian separatists fighting in Ukraine.
Vekselberg, one of Russia’s richest men, seems to be on good terms with Putin and the Kremlin.

During the campaign, Trump advisers hinted at the possibility of easing or removing the sanctions. After Trump took office, his administration reportedly considered unilaterally lifting sanctions on Russia and returning diplomatic compounds seized in December as retaliation for Russian interference in the 2016 election, moves Trump aides hoped would improve relations with Moscow. The White House also unsuccessfully opposed a congressional measure to bar Trump from undoing sanctions without approval from Capitol Hill lawmakers.

Vekselberg seems to be on good terms with Putin and the Kremlin. He heads a major Russian initiative to bring high-tech businesses into the country. In December 2015, he attended a gala dinner featuring Putin that celebrated the 10th anniversary of RT, the English-language, Kremlin-cozy media outlet. (Retired Gen. Michael Flynn, then an adviser to Trump, was an honored guest at the dinner and was paid $45,000 to speak at a conference that was part of this RT celebration.) In March, Vekselberg had a one-on-one meeting with Putin to discuss infrastructure projects involving his business. (Renova is constructing an airport in southern Russia as part of the nation’s preparations to host the 2018 soccer World Cup.)

Vekselberg certainly scored points with Putin with a pet project: his acquisition and repatriation to Russia of Fabergé eggs. In 2013, Vekeslberg told an interviewer he had spent more than $100 million to obtain the eggs, which once were owned by the late Malcolm Forbes. He noted that Putin personally thanked him for this: “I’ve seen the emotion of our president. It’s important to him that a Russian citizen has brought back this important collection.”

Like many Russian oligarchs, Vekselberg has faced accusations of corruption. One lawsuit claimed he used gunmen to gain control of a Siberian oil field. Two senior executives at firms controlled by Vekselberg were imprisoned last year in Russia on charges that they bribed regional officials.
Republicans were previously eager to highlight Renova and Vekselberg’s political contributions—to Hillary Clinton.

In 2014, Vekselberg’s Renova Group became a partner with American billionaire investor Wilbur Ross in the takeover of the Bank of Cyprus, which had held billions in deposits from wealthy Russians—some of it presumably dirty money or funds deposited there to avoid Russian taxation. The bank had failed in 2013. Ross went on to become Trump’s secretary of commerce. During his confirmation hearings in February, Democratic senators sent Ross a list of questions regarding his relationship with Vekselberg. Ross has yet to answer them.

Columbus Nova, the Renova American subsidiary headed by Intrater, is a New York-based investment firm that claims more than $2 billion in investments in a variety of industries, including biofuels, real estate, health care, insurance, telecommunications, and construction.

Intrater and Renova and the Republican National Committee did not respond to requests for comment. Asked about Intrater’s donations to Trump, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said, “You would need to contact inaugural.” The Trump inaugural committee did not respond to a subsequent inquiry.

Republicans were previously eager to highlight Renova and Vekselberg’s contributions—but to another candidate. During the 2016 election, the Trump campaign and conservatives blasted Hillary Clinton for a link with Vekselberg because the Renova Group had donated between $50,000 an $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. The Trump campaign issued a press release claiming that this contribution was evidence Clinton was actually the candidate in the race with “close ties” to Putin and had “sold out American interests to Putin in exchange for political and financial favors.” (That press release is no longer available online.) Conservative groups and media outlets—including the National Review, Investors Business Daily, and the Wall Street Journal‘s op-ed page—have cited this relatively modest Renova donation as proof the Clintons were chummy with Putin’s regime. In 2015, David Bossie, a conservative activist who went on to serve as deputy campaign manager for Trump, said the Clinton Foundation’s connection to Vekselberg was “just another example of how the Clintons will take money from any source, good, bad, or ugly.”

Besides Intrater’s $250,000 donation—which has not previously been reported—Trump’s inaugural committee accepted other Russia-related contributions. Russian American businessman Alexander Shustorovich and Access Industries, a firm owned by Len Blavatnik, a Soviet-born American citizen and Vekselberg’s longtime business partner, each gave $1 million to finance Trump’s inauguration.
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blatham
 
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Mon 28 Aug, 2017 08:14 pm
@emmett grogan,
Quote:
I sincerely hope Pence really, really, really needs his lawyers and defense fund. But that would give us Paul Ryan.

There's no really good hands in this deal.
Yes. The problem doesn't reside in any particular individual, rather it now resides in the modern party, in the levels and direction of its extremism and corruption.
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oralloy
 
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Mon 28 Aug, 2017 08:20 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Between the devil and deep blue sea--Pence is a (more or less) successful politician and a fundamentalist loony. Perhaps he would be a better candidate to "have his finger on the button," but the thought of someone with some (although not much) legislative savvy in the office is chilling.

It's not like there is an actual choice here. Trump is going to be our president for eight full years and that's the end of it. Pence will hold the White House for the following eight years.
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oralloy
 
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Mon 28 Aug, 2017 08:21 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
Terrible state of our country isn't it? No good options.

Not at all. We have only one option, and it is a very very good one: Trump remains president for eight full years, then Pence becomes president for the next eight years.
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oralloy
 
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Mon 28 Aug, 2017 08:23 pm
@emmett grogan,
emmett grogan wrote:
Yeah because Trumps big crime is money laundering Russian money.

That remains to be seen. If it is true, it is hardly a big crime and a pardon will take care of it.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 08:24 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
It's a dilemma.

Hardly. You have no options other than to accept Trump as president for eight full years. Pretending that you face some sort of actual choice here is pretty goofy.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 08:25 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Josh Marshall makes my argument but far better than I've made it.

You citing someone else and saying "Look everyone! I think what they think!"?? I never would have thunk it.


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Should We Be Punching Nazis?

No you shouldn't.

Those of us who actually craft our own arguments should be confronting the untrue claims of the Nazis and debunking them.

Those of you who don't craft your own arguments should probably just sit this one out.
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blatham
 
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Mon 28 Aug, 2017 08:31 pm
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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
With Mexico being one of the highest crime Nations in the world, we must have THE WALL. Mexico will pay for it through reimbursement/other.

"Other"?
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emmett grogan
 
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Mon 28 Aug, 2017 08:42 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
"Other"?


Taco bowl salads.

Trump celebrates Cinco de Mayo with taco bowl from his tower

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-celebrates-cinco-de-mayo-with-taco-bowl-from-his-tower/2016/05/05/ab18e0b6-12ff-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html?utm_term=.0b9342d27994

https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/05/05/National-Politics/Images/trump-taco-bowl1462484641.jpg?uuid=fKxZFBMKEeaptb9wOlpxkQ
glitterbag
 
  4  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 08:58 pm
@emmett grogan,
Trump should never allow close ups of those fat stumpy fingers.
Blickers
 
  4  
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 09:07 pm
@emmett grogan,
Quote emmett grogan:
Quote:
I sincerely hope Pence really, really, really needs his lawyers and defense fund. But that would give us Paul Ryan.

Depends on the timing. If the impeachment of Trump takes sufficient time, and as it unfurls we find that Pence has lied and cooperated with Trump's Russian Connection cover-up, we might be starting impeachment proceedings for Pence shortly after he becomes president. That might take up up to midterms, with no VP chosen by Pence that passed the Senate yet. If the House and Senate go Democratic in 2018 amid the stench of Trump's impeachment revelations, then they can continue the impeachment of Pence, and with him out of the way whoever the Democrats chose as Speaker of the House becomes president.
 

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