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Olivier5
 
  4  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 03:13 pm
Trump twit-whined the tearing down of "our beautiful statues"... No need for crying, Don! Just replace them with beautiful statues of Emperor Poutine.

https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1439228/cossacks-caeser-bust-putin.jpg
Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 04:04 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Robert E Lee thought that having monuments for the confederacy was to keep alive the soreness and strife of the civil war.

Thanks for an interesting and useful post.
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Lash
 
  -4  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 04:06 pm
@Olivier5,
I'm hoping those fabulously dressed Cossacks come with it.
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reasoning logic
 
  2  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 06:12 pm
@maporsche,
Wow that was a very touching video and completely different than what I was expecting. thanks for sharing Shocked
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Lash
 
  -3  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:00 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Lash wrote:

The letter from the journalists actually said:

"it’s all the more important that the magazine get on the right side of this story as it develops.”

Disgusting. Let's stop doing brilliant and accurate investigatory journalism, and make sure we're on the 'right' side.

Unlike you, some journalists still have a moral sense.

Those journalists and I definitely part ways, morality-wise. If I'm investigating a story, and the truth leads me to a different conclusion than I'd hoped for, I report the truth.

I do see that places me in a distinct minority.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 08:24 pm
@Lash,
You're just another conspiracy lover who couldn't recognise truth if it bit your ass.
Lash
 
  -3  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 08:26 pm
@Olivier5,
You're trying way too hard to be an ass.
reasoning logic
 
  -1  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 08:33 pm
@Lash,
Does he normally try that hard or does it come easier at times?
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snood
 
  6  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 08:58 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
I'm sure too that there were some self-described members of the Alt-right who didn't want their comrades who were on the scene confused with Nazis and KKK members...there is a difference, and it's too easy to lump everyone who was at the demonstration together. 

So what IS the difference between the Alt-right, the KKK and the Nazis, pray tell?

I think the Nazis always carry tiki torches in their right hands, the KKK in their left hands and the Alt-right is ambi-torches.
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Blickers
 
  5  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:21 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote oralloy:
Quote:
Maybe so. But that has nothing to do with protesters who showed up and didn't march along with the Nazis chanting their slogans.


Quote McGentrix:
Quote:
We may be the only ones understanding that...

Okay, either one of you fellows want to take a look at this video of Friday night and give the time on the video when you see someone marching who wasn't chanting Nazi slogans? Before beating the couple of dozen counter protestors around the statue, of course.

https://cdn.theguardian.tv/webM/2017/08/12/170812charlottesville3_WebM_V5.webm



blatham
 
  3  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:49 pm
Winner of today's No ****, Sherlock award
Quote:
The Economist‏Verified account @TheEconomist 17h17 hours ago
Donald Trump is politically inept, morally barren and temperamentally unfit for office
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roger
 
  2  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:50 pm
@Blickers,
But, they're talking about those that didn't participate in any marches. Spectators as it were. I'm going to guess that the link showed people marching. If so, it probably isn't relevant to people who weren't marching.
Real Music
 
  4  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:52 pm

South Park flag

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blatham
 
  4  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:54 pm
Fearing a trial, two psychologists involved in the CIA torture program, settle before court date ACLU
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:57 pm
This is not sustainable. We just don't know yet how it ends.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHbsJWUXoAAQ5Jo.jpg:large

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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 10:04 pm
"Southern strategy" isn't really strong enough or morally vulgar enough to describe what Trump and Bannon are up to.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 10:10 pm
@Lash,
Maybe the lion can lay down with the lamb. I can't believe I'm so in step on this with a Sanders Supporter, but then you're actually a Fascist in Socialist's clothing (or is it Putin Troll? I can't keep up with the unmaskings) and so it actually makes perfect sense.

The blatant journalistic malpractice reflected in much of what these shills have said and written would be breathtaking if it wasn't old news.

Presumably "progressive journalists" are a different breed from the good old fashioned sort. Their job isn't to cover or uncover the facts of a story and report them regardless of what political entity or faction is harmed or helped, it is to either ignore them if they don't advance their progressive cause(s) or manipulate them so that they do.

Their argument seems to be that while they appreciate that the Right has, in the past, used allegations of foreign (especially Russian) influence to manipulate public opinion and suppress dissent, the Nation needs to realize that this time around it's being used by the Left and they, ( of all US publications for Chrissake!), being a revered elder of the leftist media tribe have to get on the right side of the story, and stop rocking the damn boat! ("I mean c'mon Katrina we have this thing steamrolling now and you're throwing a ******* wrench in the engine works!")

And to make matters that much worse, far right adversaries like those Neo-Nazis schmucks, Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter, are using the Nation's reporting as ammunition against the Good Guys, the Resistance!" ("WTF Katrina? We were just laughing our asses off during lunch at Somtum Der about that bitch's freaky huge hands!"

Shortly after the Nation published it's story on the Russian Hoax, Resistance propagandists launched a damage control effort designed to could blunt the devastating claims being made, but stop short of ripping out the throat of Grand Dame vanden Heuvel (Lord knows, the vast majority of them want to bitch slap that omnipresent pursed lip smirk off her face, but they fear the effect taking her out will have on the ecology of American journalism)). Instead they have disseminated a two tier narrative:

The first is that as a long time fan of the Soviet Union, the Nation retains a flaky sentimental hope that Putin will eventually restore it to it's former socialist glory, and is chaffing over the casting of Russia (and Putin) as the international heavy in the drama. Katrina vanden Heuvel was, to put it mildly, never a big fan of Hillary Clinton and it especially ticks her off that Russia is being cast in a bad light to cover for the incompetence of a militaristic, corporate shill who masqueraded as a left-winger.

The second is that she is being heavily influenced by her husband Stephen F. Cohen, the renown scholar and professor emeritus of Russian studies at Princeton University and New York University who has also been criticized (by the Left) as a Putin stooge.

During the Reagan and Bush presidencies Cohen made regular appearances, as a Russia Expert on television news programs (he was practically a regular on the McNeil-Lehrer News Hour on PBS.) He has had a long personal friendship with Mikhail Gorbachev and a great many other friends and contacts within the Russian government. When the Soviet Union began to crumble, Cohen was an adviser to Pres. George H. W. Bush, and often, during his appearances on television, spoke to what the Russians in Moscow were thinking.

He never thought much of Bill Clinton and accused him of worsening relations with Russia by treating it like a failed state. That alone was enough to put him in the cross hairs of Establishment Democrats.

He came under fire from most quarters for defending Putin's encroachment into the Ukraine, but the Left put a bulls eye on his back when he publicly stated that the left-wing media's "assault" on President Trump was intended to undermine the US/Russia alliance against terrorism. I've personally seen him on TV (maybe even with Tucker Carlson!) attacking the Left (primarily the MSM) and defending Trump. At the time I thought that poor Prof Cohen wouldn't likely be getting any at home after he delivered that moderated tirade, but apparently the supposition is that rather than repelling his wife with support for Trump, he was acting in unison with her...to the intended benefit of Putin and Russia rather than, per se, the president.

We are always warned against judging a book by it's cover, but Katrina's perpetual steely demeanor doesn't suggest to me that she is likely to wilt under pressure from the Left. She published the Russian Hoax story well after her husband came under attack so the opprobrium from the Left, that while directed at him had to have deflected in part to her, didn't cause her to rethink her position. Maybe it even reinforced it.

Full disclosure: I've never been a fan of vanden Hueval. She's certainly highly intelligent but she is far too much of an anti-corporate bolshevik for my taste and is too wrapped up in the sort of vast right wing conspiracy theories that Latham loves to peddle. However, she's also clearly not a shill for the Democrat Party or Establishment Progressives, and regardless of what her motives for going with the story are, she's got steel in her spine and I hope, and even suspect, far more journalistic integrity that the frauds interviewed for this article.

You had to expect the Nation article would be mocked here, and I'm sure the trite references to Benghazi don't surprise you. That you were accused of lacking the morals ascribable to these propagandists isn't surprising either. That it came from Olivier though just makes it that much more amusing.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 10:36 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Quote Finn:
Quote:
The connection between the Left's ridiculous overuse of the term "Nazi" and the incident in Charlottesville is pretty weak.

You are quite ignorant of the far right, or pretend to be. David Duke's "contribution" to the movement while he was even in more of a leadership role than now was to merge the Klan with other worldwide white supremacist movements. So while the Klan started out as a uniquely American movement, by the eighties it was very much espousing Nazi ideology and flying swastikas. At various times Klan leaders have been giving speeches to other far right groups, ostensibly with a separate philosophy.

In short, is now an accomplished fact that while one group or another might label itself as Klan and another as militia, the two movements long ago got very close with a lot of personnel going back and forth.


You and the six who thumbed up your comment clearly had a hard time grasping my point.

Crowder was linking the overuse of the term Nazi with the deadly incident in Charlottesville. I think that link is very weak, but if you don't, by all means join him in blaming, in part, the Left and their Crying Nazi for the murderous action of a Nazi sympathizer.

Whether or not the KKK and American Nazis are essentially one and the same is entirely immaterial to both the video and Crowder's message, and to my criticism of it, but it's certainly true to form for you to suppose that any comment I make or for that matter any comment made about the incident that doesn't match your own views is, at best, pretending to be ignorant of racism. It's reflexive with you, and I'm only surprised that you didn't twitch a bit more and accuse me of apologizing for or sharing their racist views
InfraBlue
 
  3  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 10:42 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

But, they're talking about those that didn't participate in any marches. Spectators as it were. I'm going to guess that the link showed people marching. If so, it probably isn't relevant to people who weren't marching.

If they were spectators, then their stance in regard to the statues is irrelevant. They're talking about supposed participants who joined the white supremacists in the protest of the removal of these statues and who overlooked the white supremacists' rhetoric, not mere spectators.
old europe
 
  5  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 10:48 pm
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