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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 07:54 am
@Brandon9000,
Quote:
I do not accept your premise that Trump deliberately made statements that he knew at the time to be false more than Clinton did.

Your response comes as a complete surprise to me.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 08:59 am
Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Only about one in four Americans wants President-elect Donald Trump to entirely repeal his predecessor's health care law that extended coverage to millions, a new poll has found.

The post-election survey released Thursday by the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation also found hints of a pragmatic shift among some Republican foes of "Obamacare."

While 52 percent of Republicans say they want the law completely repealed, that share is down from 69 percent just last month, before the election. And more Republicans now say they want the law "scaled back" under the new president and GOP Congress, with that share more than doubling from 11 percent before the election to 24 percent after.
Drown the Government in the Bathtub!

Even if over-stated, or even if under-stated, those figures are going to influence Paul Ryan how exactly? Not in the slightest as regards his goals, only in how he sets out to achieve them. Does he or the Koch crowd supporting him give a damn what citizens actually desire? There's no evidence to suggest it. They operate on the axiom that government involvement in any such matter is fundamentally wrong and must be minimized or erased.

So, what to do? Two options - just destroy what exists with the knowledge that rebuilding will be damned near impossible and worry about political consequences later, or, as you set about destroying this and other social programs carry on a wide propaganda effort to ease the political opportunities of the GOP in the meantime.

blatham
 
  2  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 09:02 am
Clinton's margin in the popular vote has now exceeded 2.5 million.
farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 09:06 am
@blatham,
I think he is going to be fighting an internal war with the Ryan/ McConnell wing wherein they feel like they've been given some LICENSE to destruct the Union and trash the Constitution.
I'm thinking that Romney's penance for doubting der Donald will be , like Moses travail, just be able to gaze at the "promised lend" but never enter it.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 09:14 am
So far as I know, Trump has still only sat down for two intel briefings (job outsourced to Pence). That's not a problem because, as Trump noted during his campaign, "I know more than the generals".
Quote:
Sitting CIA directors generally don’t blast incoming presidents — much less in an interview with a foreign news agency. Yet here we are.

On Wednesday morning, the BBC published excerpts from an interview with CIA Director John Brennan, the first time a serving head of America’s best-known spy agency has sat down with the British media, according to the BBC. Brennan’s comments are, unmistakably, a shot at Donald Trump. He calls Trump’s proposal to scrap the Iran deal “disastrous,” warns that “the overwhelming majority of CIA officers” oppose Trump’s call to bring back torture of suspected terrorists, and says the famously Putin-sympathetic Trump should “beware Russian promises.”

Oh yeah! Well what the **** does THIS guy know?! God damn liberal enemies!
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 09:24 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
I'm thinking that Romney's penance for doubting der Donald will be , like Moses travail, just be able to gaze at the "promised lend" but never enter it.

Jesus. That's perfect.
Quote:
I think he is going to be fighting an internal war with the Ryan/ McConnell wing wherein they feel like they've been given some LICENSE to destruct the Union and trash the Constitution.

That's surely possible, but my take is different. I don't see any evidence Trump gives a damn if 10 million people lose their access to affordable and reasonably sufficient health care. His past history doesn't suggest any such empathy for those in trouble or for those who are irrelevant to his wealth, social standing and power. So if he has a fight on this, I think it will be because he senses those things are threatened along with incoming adulation. After all, his appointments suggest he's absolutely happy to give such licence to a whole lot of people who are heading in that direction.
farmerman
 
  2  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 09:31 am
@blatham,
In that respect we disagree. Trump isnt any kind of an idealogue. Hes very flexible. His moral/ethical allegiances can change like a tidal bore
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 09:56 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Trump isnt any kind of an idealogue. Hes very flexible.

Sorry, I've communicated something poorly.

I do not see him as an ideologue either. His capacity for flexibility in "principles" is world class. But he is presently consolidating his power and position via these appointments (whether Wall St or GOP establishment or Christian Right or the Koch machine). His mode is domination of others as broadly and severely as possible but he can't get there on his own. Is that more clear?
farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 09:59 am
@blatham,
I see, yeh can you imagine that his dyed in the pot supporters are even able to intuit theyre being played??
farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 10:04 am
@farmerman,
SARAH PALIN??
Jesus
layman
 
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Thu 1 Dec, 2016 10:08 am
Trump: "Yeah, I'll probably sue Rosie. Because it would be FUN. I'd like to take some money out of her fat-ass pockets."



You go, Donald!
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 10:08 am
@farmerman,
Many, no. Somehow that concept isn't available to them. But the poll I noted earlier (here or on the propaganda thread) re increasing distaste among republicans for social service cutbacks suggests others are.

Don't know if you bumped into Rick Perlstein's The Long Con, but it's a wonderful/horrible piece on how the right has been awash in con job artists for a very long while (like Huckabee and health cures found in scripture) http://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con

And there's Fox and Coulter and Limbaugh and Beck and a contemporary list that goes on forever. Of everything that is going on, this isolation of so many Americans in their epistemological bubble packed with con men/women scares me more than anything else.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 10:09 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
SARAH PALIN??
Jesus

Indeed.
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layman
 
  0  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 10:33 am
Trump has many supporters because of what he aint.

For example, he AINT this guy:

farmerman
 
  1  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 11:06 am
@layman,
Hes more like one of these guys. NOT THAT THERES ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT

     http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6gpwKJB6Q4s/UJqxZ_GYRiI/AAAAAAAAADI/utgwRH51WcE/s320/christe+and+obama+kissing.png
layman
 
  -1  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 11:17 am
I hear-tell that, in order to protect Trump from all the crazies tryin to assassinate him, the Secret Service will need to use two complete floors of Trump Tower.

The cost to tax-payers? About 3 million, they say.

Payable to? You guessed it: The Donald.

Played again, eh, cheese-eaters? Keep on stormin the castle there.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 11:19 am
@farmerman,
I thought Trump is pretty smart, but Palin😡? I know he's good at shock value, but that goes beyond shocking.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 11:55 am
@blatham,
Blatham wrote:
And there's Fox and Coulter and Limbaugh and Beck and a contemporary list that goes on forever. Of everything that is going on, this isolation of so many Americans in their epistemological bubble packed with con men/women scares me more than anything else.


I think Blatham likes the sound of epistemological.

It's a good thing for him that Canadians are immune to all this. Merely unfortunate for us that Americans who don't agree with his rather narrow politial prejudices are all locked in bubbles or various nefarious conspiracuies.
layman
 
  1  
Thu 1 Dec, 2016 11:59 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

I think Blatham likes the sound of epistemological.


He probably likes the word "ontological," too, I figure.

But not as much as the word for the ontological/epistemological truth he adheres to: solipsism.
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georgeob1
 
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Thu 1 Dec, 2016 12:08 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Apparently george has never met anyone nor read of anyone who might properly be described using the term "liar". Nor has he managed to find any means of being able to establish that person X lies more than person Y. Nor did he, I guess, ever manage to make credible presumptions about the intentions hidden inside the head of the 18 year old boy at the door to pick up his 16 year old
daughter. Nor the intentions of the fellow in the black mask, duffle bag and break n enter tools moving around his house at 2:00 AM.


But Blatham. that would be "profiling" !

Once again you are trying to weasel out of your own logical dilemmas. Rational judgments on actions based on probabilities and relative likelihoods are things we all do every day. However taking a reasonable precaution is s far cry from "knowing" the whole truth of a situation. These are important distinctions that serious thinkers, scientists and others rightly take seriously. Fools, propagandists and intolerant fanatics don't. That you so quickly make judgments about the presumed motives and intentions of those who merely disagree with you is ample illustration of this defect in your mode of thinking.
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