@georgeob1,
Quote:What the hell do you mean by "impinged" ????
Yeah, I thought that word a bit much. Meant to mean that you created the dichotomy, not the OP..I was just trying to source responsibly!
Quote:I see far less "rational reason" coming from the progressive forces of political correctitude than I saw from the Jesuits who taught me in high school. Indeed most of it is mindless, illogical group think and cant that would likely embarrass even many religious zealots.
Yes, I would agree with you there. Especially on the score of Jesuits. It is my experience that Catholics as a whole tend to be a bit more rational and scientific than other religious groups or denominations..
But whether or not you
actually get rationality from the non religious wasn't my the thrust of the argument. My point was that if you are without religion, you have to have a reasonable argument, an actual real world non metaphysical referent to what authority you are claiming. I can't account for those that don't or reason illogically, I said as much figuring this would be your reply.
With religion, for many things, pointing to the sky becomes the referent.
I do get that in the real world, in practice, it depends on the situation, but ideals matter and all things being equal, I will take the one that doesn't depend on bronze age ideas for authoritative sanction.