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Frugal1
 
  -2  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 12:08 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
do you much care if the infrastructure projects are ones that fix existing deficiencies (for example, water pipes in Flint or crumbling bridges in Mississippi or levies in Louisiana) or new projects like tollways


Didn't 0bama already throw millions of tax payer dollars at infrastructure via 'stimulus packages'?
The ones he laughed about because they weren't as shovel ready as he said they were.
Where did all of that money go?
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 12:39 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

There's an undercurrent in all of this that ought to be addressed.

It is a commonplace assumption among certain sorts of religious groups, particularly the more extreme or orthodox elements, that their faith notions are so unfailingly true and right that it is justified to enforce their notions outside of their community and onto all others. Obviously, Muslim extremists hold this notion. But Christian extremists do as well. Likewise, some orthodox Jews like the fellows in New York who spit on an 8 year old girl whose clothing they considered immodest.

These folks also commonly hold that because their ideas are truer than all others that any secular law which contravenes their ideas are illegitimate and must be eradicated in the community.

All that is the more extreme end of the spectrum. But less extreme theists sometimes hold that the sincerity of their beliefs grants them special dispensation. Religious beliefs, they'll content, are unique and deserve unique consideration.

To those people, I say, **** you.


It is amusing to me that you fail to see that, if you deleted the references to religion, and substitutes progressives or "Batham" the description would fit just as well . However, in such a case you might wish to delete the "**** you".
catbeasy
 
  2  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 02:08 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
the sincerity of their beliefs grants them special dispensation.


Quote:
the description would fit just as well

When making this progressive vs. religious dichotomy as you have impinged upon Blatham's comment, I cannot speak for any individual (non-religious) 'progressive' just as you can't speak for any given religious person, but the ideological difference between the two is that one of these believes that because their God said it, that settles it. No 'reason' to go further. The other, by virtue of not having this 'outside' justification, must give rational reason for the exercise of their authority. Which is the way it should be, yes?

Again, I'm sure you can find folks who switch positions on this issue in both camps, but the ideology, I think, stands..at least for those on both sides that take the reality of their differing positions seriously and rationally.
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 02:28 pm
@catbeasy,
catbeasy wrote:

[When making this progressive vs. religious dichotomy as you have impinged upon Blatham's comment, I cannot speak for any individual (non-religious) 'progressive' just as you can't speak for any given religious person, but the ideological difference between the two is that one of these believes that because their God said it, that settles it. No 'reason' to go further. The other, by virtue of not having this 'outside' justification, must give rational reason for the exercise of their authority. Which is the way it should be, yes?


What the hell do you mean by "impinged" ????

I see far less "rational reason" coming from the progressive forces of political correctitude than I saw from the Jesuits who taught me in high school. Indeed most of it is mindless, illogical group think and cant that would likely embarrass even many religious zealots.
tony5732
 
  1  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 03:04 pm
@blatham,
" There is a common resistance in elements of the right which really does not like the notion of equality. That's not just a meritocratic ideology or preference. It is that if dominance cannot be realized, they have no means of measuring themselves against others. They need people below to define themselves in a particular way."

Well, this isn't just the right. Look at my friend Debby Law, or her friend Rabel telling me about how intellectually dominant Debby Law is.

I know this is a bad example but it's the most relevant here, people love pretending to be dominant. That's not really a right or left thing, it's a nature thing.

I could write you a little report and give you some sources if you want, but there IS a science to it.
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catbeasy
 
  0  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 04:34 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
What the hell do you mean by "impinged" ????

Yeah, I thought that word a bit much. Meant to mean that you created the dichotomy, not the OP..I was just trying to source responsibly!

Quote:
I see far less "rational reason" coming from the progressive forces of political correctitude than I saw from the Jesuits who taught me in high school. Indeed most of it is mindless, illogical group think and cant that would likely embarrass even many religious zealots.

Yes, I would agree with you there. Especially on the score of Jesuits. It is my experience that Catholics as a whole tend to be a bit more rational and scientific than other religious groups or denominations..

But whether or not you actually get rationality from the non religious wasn't my the thrust of the argument. My point was that if you are without religion, you have to have a reasonable argument, an actual real world non metaphysical referent to what authority you are claiming. I can't account for those that don't or reason illogically, I said as much figuring this would be your reply.

With religion, for many things, pointing to the sky becomes the referent.

I do get that in the real world, in practice, it depends on the situation, but ideals matter and all things being equal, I will take the one that doesn't depend on bronze age ideas for authoritative sanction.
blatham
 
  5  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 05:14 pm
Tonight I am going to put a peach cobbler into the oven. When sufficiently dry, it goes into the grinder. Then I get out my papers and make a fatty.

Because that's how we Mennonite hippies roll.
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RABEL222
 
  1  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 05:24 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
"up front "


Does this mean pay me BEFORE I do the work?
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 05:38 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
How the **** you fans can believe anything this bastard has told you confounds me utterly.


They are totally deaf to anything that dosent fit their opinions. Screw facts.
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 05:46 pm
@catbeasy,
catbeasy wrote:

[But whether or not you actually get rationality from the non religious wasn't my the thrust of the argument. My point was that if you are without religion, you have to have a reasonable argument, an actual real world non metaphysical referent to what authority you are claiming. I can't account for those that don't or reason illogically, I said as much figuring this would be your reply.
Human nature is what it is; for the religious believers in a creator; the non religious ones; or thse "rational" thinkers, who base their beliefs on an infinite regression of expansions and contractions, or an infinity of quantum multiverses, or whatever imponderable these pseudo "rational" souls among us choose to pin their belioefs on. The main veriables here are the degrees of pretense and hypocrisy.

quote="catbeasy"]
With religion, for many things, pointing to the sky becomes the referent.[/quote] The PC believers merely point to Blatham and Nancy Pelosi. There's not a dime's worth of difference.

RABEL222
 
  1  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 05:47 pm
@blatham,
OH my God! Are you claiming we are descended from the apes? Every one knows that man was created by God from mud, and Eve made from Adams rib.Where were you raised? By the way I think man made from mud is pretty apt. For some people anyway.
tony5732
 
  -2  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 06:57 pm
Pardon my argot, but abtruse idioms incline me into delirium. Acumen is not cognate to an ample application of sporadically used parlance.

Can we speak the same language here for all us uneducated folk?
nimh
 
  2  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:08 pm
@Debra Law,
Hey, at least he's actively engaging with people's remarks in this thread, considering their points before (re)settling on a position, and recognizing when opponents make good observations. All compares rather favorably with just lecturing at people.
nimh
 
  5  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:36 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

I love how the left likes to interchange Republican and conservative depending on what point in history they want to talk about. According to them the GOP never did anything for anyone, even when it was the GOP who did those things. They never want to admit that the Democrats controlled the south from the time of reconstruction until the mid 1990's when the first GOP governor was elected. They never want to admit that it was Dems who started the KKK, that's when the label flips start taking place. Can't have anything bad attached to the Dems and can't have anything good attached to the GOP.

I think "the left" is pretty comfortable with identifying the erstwhile racist Southern wing of the Democrats, and observing how it upheld racist and discriminatory laws until national Dems forced it to back down. Even in this thread, liberal posters have pointed out exactly that.
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tony5732
 
  0  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:48 pm
@blatham,
Who, Lewandowski or Trump?
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 07:52 pm
@tony5732,
Quote:
Can we speak the same language here for all us uneducated folk?

Sure. You're right. Here goes...

See Donald run. See Donald kick puppy. See puppy fly up to Jesus. See all the people sitting in the grandstand. They are clapping. They are yelling. What do you think they are they yelling?
"Kick her up. Kick her up."
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:01 pm
Bill Connolly (one of my favorite humans) on Donald Trump (and chicago architecture)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRStOmd3weE
tony5732
 
  0  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:03 pm
@blatham,
Bah, wasn't really talking about you Blatham. I was more trying to keep up with the impinged dickomy conversation after your statement.

I get that you don't like trump, or people who like trump, or people who disagree with people who don't like trump, or people who don't agree with people who don't like trump.

It's way more fun to talk about other subjects with you.
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tony5732
 
  -1  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:20 pm
@blatham,
HRC was NOT a puppy by the way.
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:34 pm
I realize that this violates site rules regarding commercialization but I hope you'll all consider purchasing for yourself and a friend my soon-to-be-released book, "Reflections On My Relationship With God And Women's Body Parts".
 

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