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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 07:56 am
@tony5732,
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So, your argument isn't Democrats VS Republicans, it's more progressive VS conservative.
You need both.

Deb will have her own answer. Here's mine.

There is always a tension between those who wish for adherence to traditional codes and values with those who wish to supplant them. It's a complex thing with pretty obvious generational influences and with influences regarding who is presently privileged and who is not. An obvious example is women's struggle for the vote. Or black's struggle to sit where they want in a bus.

What makes these issue/conflicts resolvable is the goal set out in the Bill of Rights or in the Magna Carta or in the classical Greek notions re democracy or in the best parts of Christian (or other faiths) notions re equality and brotherhood of all. That is, that we ought always to default in the direction of including in our community as equals those who have been or are granted less that equal status.
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blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 07:58 am
@tony5732,
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can we hold the Muslim religious types to the same accountability?

My answer here should be evident above. Unless I have the relevant laws wrong, then yes of course they would be accountable in precisely the same manner
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blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 08:02 am
@tony5732,
Note that Deb made no reference to you, only to how she sees your behavior in discussion. By contrast you've followed with a personal insult. That's a site rule violation. Don't do that.
tony5732
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 08:09 am
@blatham,
Bigot- a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. Couldn't find a better description of placing someone on ignore because you don't agree with them.

Coward- a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

That one should explain itself.

Note I am not talking directly to anyone.
blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 08:12 am
Bait and switch item #562

Here's what Trump said on Fox and Friends in April.
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“People have been paying in for years,” Trump told “Fox & Friends” during an April interview in which he attempted to distinguish himself from the other Republican presidential candidates. “They’re gonna cut Social Security. They’re gonna cut Medicare. They’re gonna cut Medicaid. I’m the one saying that’s saying I’m not gonna do that! I’m gonna make us so rich you don’t have to do those things.”


And here's what his choice for OMB director has said
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Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-SC), President-elect Donald Trump’s pick to direct the Office of Management and Budget, has been an ardent supporter of budget proposals that would privatize Medicare and has made overhauling the program a key issue in his approach to governance.

“We have to end Medicare as we know it,” Mulvaney said in 2011.

A Tea Party budget hawk who led the opposition to many of the funding compromises during the Obama era, Mulvaney vocally championed proposals by then-Budget Committee Chair Paul Ryan (R-WI) and others to privatize Medicare or impose other major changes to the program. He relentlessly argued that cutting retirement programs like Medicare was the only way to “balance the budget,” the Tea Party call to arms. He hasn’t been shy about calling for a drastic refashioning of Medicare.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/trump-pick-for-omb-director-wants-to-end-medicare-as-we-know-it

As I said earlier, for Americans to imagine Trump either cares about 99% of them of will act to make their lives better (or would have the foggiest notion of how to do that) is as delusional as imagining that the shark approaching your surfboard has arrived to help push the board faster.
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Frugal1
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 08:18 am
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blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 08:24 am
@tony5732,
Re-think your presumptions.

In life, do you decline to continue talking with certain individuals ONLY because you disagree with their ideas? When you do turn away from further conversation, is it cowardice on your part? Is it only because the person was speaking "truth" you couldn't confront?

I won't speak further on this.
tony5732
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 08:32 am
@blatham,
I listen, I disagree sometimes, sometimes I even do pause for thought and come back to the conversation at a different time.

Yes, I prefer to find people I disagree with because if I agree with someone that makes it a mute point, like masturbation, if you will.

I do not refuse to listen to and or ignore someone because they don't agree with me. THAT'S ignorance. However, you are not the one being ignorant. So I agree to drop it.
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Frugal1
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 08:40 am
Blue Lives Matter.
All Lives Matter.

Thanks to the American people, this will be the best Christmas
in 8 years, nothing but hope, love & making America great again.
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blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 08:52 am
Trump, his campaign of identity politics and where does that go from here.
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"Identity politics," we're often told, is something that only has to do with racial minorities, religious minorities, or women — in other words, anyone but white men. We've also been informed that Hillary Clinton waged a relentless campaign of division by identity politics, pandering to people of color and females while telling white people to talk to the hand. This is, of course, ludicrous. There are ways in which all politics is identity politics, but there's little doubt that Trump's victory was built on stoking hatred, fear, and resentment of non-whites. In other words, it was a campaign perfectly suited for a party whose members had been fed a steady diet of white racial grievance for eight years, told endlessly to think of themselves as racial victims of a president supposedly out to extract vengeance upon them because of their skin color.

While there are many factors that determined the outcome of the election, Trump succeeded in bringing out white working-class voters in key areas of swing states. These voters thrilled to his talk of building walls along our border, keeping out Muslims, and generally restoring the societal hierarchies that prevailed a half-century ago. It wasn't some kind of random accident that Trump was endorsed by the KKK.

...Those evangelical voters certainly voted their identity in this election, choosing Trump by the extraordinary margin of 80 percent to 16 percent, according to exit polls. They managed to overlook his rather inconsistent adherence to their values, understanding that it was less about who he was as a person than which side in the great culture war he was on. When he promised to Make America Great Again, they knew just what he was talking about.

But in a month, it won't just be about rallies — Trump will actually be making decisions and carrying out policies.
LINK
Frugal1
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 08:56 am
@blatham,
“It’s The Most Wonderful Time in 8 Years”
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blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 09:04 am
On Gringrich's promotion of the idea that Congress ought to change ethics rules and laws to accommodate Trump's financial empire and his refusal to extricate himself from it and that, if his family/friends actually break such laws then Trump can avail himself of the pardon powers to let them off the hook.

Here's another opinion on all this:
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Richard Painter — a former George W. Bush White House ethics lawyer who told us last month he thought the Electoral College should reject Trump unless he sells his hotel, because continued ownership of it would violate the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause — disagreed with Gingrich’s interpretation of the president’s constitutional powers.

“If the pardon power allows that, the pardon power allows the president to become a dictator, and even Richard Nixon had the decency to wait for his successor to hand out the pardon that he received for his illegal conduct,” Painter said. “We’re going down a very, very treacherous path if we go with what Speaker Gingrich is saying, what he is suggesting.”
LINK

That's where we're at. Nixon in comparison showed "decency".
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ehBeth
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 09:05 am
@tony5732,
tony5732 wrote:
Can I ask a Muslim wedding planner to plan my gay wedding, or a Muslim band to play at my gay wedding, or a muslim photographer to take pictures at my gay wedding?


absolutely

In my community all of those things happen. There's nothing unusual about it.

blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 09:13 am
And to help everyone feel better about this Trump administration and the future, there's this.
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In July, literally the day after Trump accepted the GOP nomination, he continued to talk about the National Enquirer’s report, insisting the tabloid “should be very respected” and deserves “Pulitzer Prizes for their reporting.”

...The oddity of our political circumstances are hard to overstate. The next president of the United States doesn’t trust U.S. intelligence agencies, climate scientists, or civil servants at the Bureau of Labor Statistics, but he believes the National Enquirer “should be very respected.”
more HERE
As Trump said at one of his speeches, "I love the uneducated". Yes he does. The conman and the propagandist depend utterly on people being uninformed and misinformed.
Frugal1
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 09:15 am
@ehBeth,
Sure, they make plans, play music, take pictures, and make videos, but you left out the part about the muslims killing gay people.
There's nothing unusual about muslims murdering gays.
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Frugal1
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 09:16 am
@blatham,
America feels great about it's future with President Trump.

Have you got anything to help the losers feel better about their loss?
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tony5732
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 09:17 am
@ehBeth,
I don't consider sexual preference in the same boat as religion and race, yet I believe people should be able to be free and do as they choose, I have a very libertarian approach on the subject.

I will put some more thought into this though, liberal mindset (on this subject) doesn't seem as one sided as I previously thought.
blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 09:18 am
@ehBeth,
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In my community all of those things happen. There's nothing unusual about it.

I shouldn't have omitted that point, ehBeth. Thanks. Such agreements/transactions are far, far more common than refusals and court actions that attempt to give warrant to the refusal. That was true in New York, in Oregon, in Dallas and here on Vancouver Island.

I presumed tony was inquiring re the existing laws on the situation if the enterprise was to refuse. And I'm not totally clear on that.
ehBeth
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 09:20 am
@tony5732,
Interesting. I see sexuality and gender and race as being the same - in that they are not choices. Religion is entirely about choice IMNSHO.

There is a lot of research in the area of genetics and sexuality. Worth looking into if you're interested in science.
blatham
 
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Wed 21 Dec, 2016 09:26 am
By the by, in our store in Manhattan and then our second in Portland, I only had cause one time to kick someone out of the store and refuse to allow them to purchase anything. It was a young male about 20 with his mother. He began talking about women using the term "bee atches". The mother was very embarrassed and I felt for her but she left with him.
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