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camlok
 
  -3  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 10:19 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Those Icelanders don't take a lot of ****, unlike our chloroformed lemmings.


How can government of the people, by the people, for the people be chloroformed lemmings, Lash? It doesn't make sense.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 11:00 am
@snood,
I'll have to take your word for it. I don't know enough about the presidential veto, actually that's all I know, that there's a presidential veto.

It would be nice to see him doing something he doesn't want to, like a sulky teenager.
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farmerman
 
  4  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 11:05 am
@oralloy,
When you get done making love to yourself prhaps you will see that your wishful BS is counter to what a Democracy (including our democratic republic) is about.
"Outlaw a oarty"
"When does "Citizens United" even approach Constitutional muster?

The firearms act of 1935 is something with which you accept a Constitutional?


John McCain a traitor?? wow, you belong living in Ted Kozinsky's world.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 11:08 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Although this seems to have worked well. I notice our press didn't have much to say...
Perhaps you missed it. Or forgot about it - it happened more than three years ago. (A quick search shows that the NYT alone covered it with several reports and opinions.)

And about the new government (centre-right) this year, too.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 11:18 am
Quote:
A lawyer for Donald Trump says the US president's legal team is not looking at ways he could pardon himself.
"I don't know where this came from. There is nothing to pardon," Jay Sekulow said.
On Saturday, Mr Trump said he had "complete power" to issue pardons, following reports he had asked advisers about the scope of his authority.
Criminal and congressional inquiries are underway into alleged collusion between Russia and Trump's campaign.
Earlier in the week, the Washington Post reported that Mr Trump had inquired about his ability to pardon himself, family members or aides in connection with special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into claims Russia interfered in the US election.
Mr Trump has reportedly been infuriated that the inquiry has widened to consider his finances and close family.
Presidents have broad abilities to issue pardons and Mr Trump could potentially restrict Mr Mueller's investigation.
His tweet said: "While all agree the U. S. President has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is LEAKS against us. FAKE NEWS."
But Mr Sekulow said they were not looking into the question of pardons.
"We're not researching it, I haven't researched it because it's not an issue we're concerned with or dealing with," he told ABC.
He went on to say whether a president could pardon themselves remains an open question.
"With regard to the issue of a president pardoning himself, there's a big academic discussion going on right now," he added. "From a constitutional, legal perspective you can't dismiss it one way or the other."
A spokesman for the Democratic Party called the reports Mr Trump could pardon himself "extremely disturbing".
US intelligence agencies think Russia tried to help Mr Trump to power. Russia denies this, and the president says there was no collusion.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40699441
layman
 
  -4  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 11:33 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
An admission that the constant stream of leaks to media re the WH have nothing to do with any "deep state" or "Obama holdovers" but rather with the team this administration itself has put together.


You deserve a medal for your brilliant insights, eh? Of course WH leaks have nothing to do with any "deep state." Leaks from the 17 intelligence agencies, the pentagon, all the career bureaucrats entrenched in them, et al, do.

Your logic is brilliant though, I must say. You implicitly deduce that if there are any WH leaks, then there can be nothing happening at all anywhere else. The "constant stream of media leaks" ONLY comes from the White House, eh?

The brilliance is simply overwhelming, I tellzya!
camlok
 
  1  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 11:39 am
@layman,
While there have been some awfully nutty and criminal US presidents, layman, there has never been such a dump as Trump. And you, in all your glory, are sucking it all up, totally engrossed, totally into the big dump that is Trump.
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Lash
 
  1  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 12:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I agree with the sentiments of the article:

Can you imagine participating in a protest outside the White House and forcing the entire U.S. government to resign? Can you imagine a group of randomly chosen private citizens rewriting the U.S. constitution to include measures banning corporate fraud? It seems incomprehensible in the U.S., but Icelanders did just that. Icelanders forced their entire government to resign after a banking fraud scandal, overthrowing the ruling party and creating a citizen’s group tasked with writing a new constitution that offered a solution to prevent corporate greed from destroying the country. The constitution of Iceland was scrapped and is being rewritten by private citizens; using a crowd-sourcing technique via social media channels such as Facebook and Twitter. These events have been going on since 2008, yet there’s been no word from the U.S. mainstream media about any of them. In fact, all of the events that unfolded were recorded by international journalists, overseas news bureaus, citizen journalists and bloggers. This has created current accusations of an intentional cover up of the story by mainstream U.S. news sources.

An “iReport” on CNN, written by a private citizen in May 2012, has questioned the reasons why this revolution has not been widely covered in the U.S., suggesting that perhaps the mainstream media is controlled by large corporate interests and thus has been unwilling to report on Iceland’s activities.
That report is currently making its way around social media. CNN today placed a statement on its website saying: “We’ve noticed this iReport is being shared widely on Facebook and Twitter. Please note that this article was posted in May 2012. CNN has not yet verified the claims and we’re working to track down the original writer.” It is interesting to note that CNN’s European version, CNN Europe, already covered the story of the protests and the government’s resignation, leading many to question why CNN would now need to “look into” the claims.
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Real Music
 
  3  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 12:18 pm
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/congress-reaches-deal-on-trump-proof-russia-sanctions.html

Congress Set to Pass Trump-Proof Russia Sanctions, White House Signals Support
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The House and Senate have reached a deal on a bill that would impose new financial sanctions on Russia and allow Congress to review and veto any attempt by President Trump, or any other president, to independently ease those sanctions in the future. The Senate, looking to punish the Kremlin for meddling in last year’s presidential election, passed a version of the bill by a nearly unanimous margin in June, but it has been stalled in the House for weeks due to procedural issues, pressure from industry groups, and a White House bent on weakening the proposed congressional-review power. On Saturday, however, negotiators from the House and Senate ironed out a deal that did not include the changes the Trump administration wanted.

Regardless, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders now says that the White House supports the new version of the bill. That would seem to indicate that Trump will sign it into law, but wait until the ink is dry when it comes to anything this administration says.

In addition to the measures against Russia, the bill includes new sanctions on Iran (over its ballistic-missile tests) and North Korea (over its nuclear program). It also somewhat eased the concerns of the oil-and-gas industry, which worried that American companies would face an impossible amount of red tape if they attempted to partner with Russian businesses.

The tweaked bill will likely receive a full vote on Tuesday and is expected to pass with wide bipartisan support, setting up a potentially difficult choice for the president. Trump has never seemed to take Russia’s meddling in last year’s election very seriously — instead trying to downplay it — and the president has also never seemed overly concerned about appearing too friendly with the Kremlin, either. (In Trump’s defense, any White House administration would object to Congress attempting to reduce its authority to deal with foreign powers.) But the New York Times reported on Saturday that “two senior administration officials said they could not imagine Mr. Trump vetoing the legislation in the current political atmosphere.” And Trump’s ability to exceed the limits of imagination aside, Sarah Huckabee Sanders offered firmer official support on Sunday. During an appearance on ABC’s This Week, the new White House press secretary was asked if the president would sign the bill, and she indicated that he would:

If Sanders is wrong and Trump does veto the bill, it will be interesting to see if Republicans in Congress would be willing to override him. Then again, even if the bill does become law, there is no guarantee that GOP lawmakers will challenge any attempt by Trump to ease the sanctions — though members of the House’s majority party won’t be the only ones who get to call for such a review. Minority Whip Steny Hoyer declared on Saturday that he was pleased with the legislation, which he says “ensures that both the majority and minority are able to exercise our oversight role over the administration’s implementation of sanctions
ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 12:19 pm
@izzythepush,
As we used to say, ay chihuahua.

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layman
 
  -4  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 12:34 pm
@ossobucotemp,
ossobucotemp wrote:
As we used to say, ay chihuahua. Ay Chihuahua! is a Mexican expression. Literally, the expression translates to "Oh, Chihuahua...


Me and my homeys use a slightly different term. We usually say "Hi, Chihuahua," right before drop-kicking the scroungy little mutt.

Then, of course, we say "Bye, Chihuahua."
ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 12:47 pm
@layman,
Baaaaad!
camlok
 
  0  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 12:54 pm
@ossobucotemp,
He's a Trump guy. That says it all.
ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 01:05 pm
@camlok,
I know, I know, such a colorful person.
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blatham
 
  4  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 01:46 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
A lawyer for Donald Trump says the US president's legal team is not looking at ways he could pardon himself.
"I don't know where this came from. There is nothing to pardon," Jay Sekulow said.
On Saturday, Mr Trump said he had "complete power" to issue pardons, following reports he had asked advisers about the scope of his authority.

And then there's this...
Quote:
White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci on Sunday said he and President Donald Trump discussed pardons during a meeting last week in the Oval Office.

“I’m in the Oval Office with the President last week, we’re talking about that, he says he brought that up,” Scaramucci said on “Fox News Sunday,” referring to Trump’s tweet about pardons.
TPM
Sekulow is a real piece of work. The following is from wikpedia. He's far from unique in using the right wing Christian/political universe to make huge money for himself but he's a premiere scuzzbag in this category. And he fits in perfectly with this Trump crowd in having no apparent moral compass whatsoever.
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Criticism[edit]
In November 2005, Legal Times published an article which alleged that Sekulow "through the ACLJ and a string of interconnected nonprofit and for-profit entities, has built a financial empire that generates millions of dollars a year and supports a lavish lifestyle—complete with multiple homes, chauffeur-driven cars, and a private jet that he once used to ferry Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia." In the article, former donors and supporters claimed that Sekulow engaged in a pattern of self-dealing to finance his "high-flying lifestyle." According to a ranking by the American Institute of Philanthropy, a charity watchdog group, Sekulow was the 13th highest paid executive of a charitable organization in the United States.[14]

On June 27, 2017, The Washington Post reported that "Jay Sekulow's family has been paid millions from charities they control".[15]

On June 27 and 28, 2017, The Guardian reported, that documents obtained by them confirmed later that "millions in donations" were steered to his family members,[16] that Sekulow "approved plans to push poor and jobless people to donate money to his Christian nonprofit, which since 2000 has steered more than $60m to Sekulow, his family and their businesses",[16] and that attorney generals in New York and North Carolina opened investigations of Jay Sekulow’s group Christian Advocates Serving Evangelism (CASE) for possibly using pressure tactics in telemarketer calls to raise money which was allegedly misdirected to Sekulow and his family.[17]

camlok
 
  -1  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 02:00 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Sekulow is a real piece of work.


Who isn't a scuzzball from any of the US war criminal adminstrations, blatham?
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farmerman
 
  2  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 02:18 pm
@blatham,
it seems that self- dealing is actually protected when youre an attorney.
layman
 
  -4  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 02:53 pm
@farmerman,
They gotta catch your ass BEFORE you rip off 60 million. After that you're in the clear:

1. Ya got plenty to pay big-ass bribes with, whether it's to D.A.'s, judges or jurors.

2. That always works, but if it doesn't ya can always haul ass to a country which had no extradition treaty with the U.S.

3. If ya don't wanna leave home, it still aint no thang. Some cheese-eating liberal judge will just give you probation. It's just white-collar crime, after all, and there was no harm done: You only ripped off stupid-ass Christians.

4. Even if ya got sentenced to a year or two at some country-club "jail," so what? Most people in the country would do that for 60 million--best job they'll ever get. It aint even no job, no work required--ya just spend a little extended time with your homeboys--kinda like summer camp, ya know? You can regale them with stories about the sorry-ass chumps you have fleeced.
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blatham
 
  5  
Sun 23 Jul, 2017 03:10 pm
@farmerman,
And a christian. Obviously, he wouldn't have pulled in 60 million (or more) unless he was Blessed from on high by Money-Jesus.
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