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roger
 
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Mon 17 Jul, 2017 04:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

As sure as I am that they would love to see it revealed that Trump was and still is an agent of the Russian government. . . .


And sure as god made little green apples, if that were revealed, one of his best supporters would claim that even if it were true, there was nothing wrong with that.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 04:18 pm
@farmerman,
I know. It's uplifting isn't it?

I know that referring to someone as a maggot doesn't seem loving but you just have to know snood.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 04:20 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

So, to be clear, you're a member of the Religious Right, then.


No. Is this another example of your Vulcan like logic at work?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 04:24 pm
@roger,
But then they would likely be a fellow Russian agent wouldn't they?

I am constantly amazed at the absurd things some people in this forum write so I guess anything is possible.
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InfraBlue
 
  4  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 04:42 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

So, to be clear, you're a member of the Religious Right, then.


No. Is this another example of your Vulcan like logic at work?

Yes, sir.

Where does that put you and your black and white Manacheanism seeing as how you're neither Secular Leftist nor Religious Right, then?
layman
 
  -2  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 04:58 pm
Let's suppose for a minute that the russian attorney had actually produced what she promised.

For example, let's say she brought with her visual and audio tapes of Clinton agreeing to "sell" uranium to Russia in exchange for $200,000,000. And brought documentary evidence of bank transfers of the money from Russia to her bank accounts, etc. Then what?

What would/could Trump do with that information? It would be useless unless it somehow became public. He would naturally turn the information over to the FBI to investigate for veracity and authenticity. He might also "leak" it to Newspapers like Clinton did, I suppose. But again, the only real ultimate question would be whether it was true.

If it was, then Trump would be doing the entire country a favor by receiving it in the first place.

A number of foreign leaders "endorsed" Clinton as the best candidate for president. Does that make her a "traitor?" How could it? Sovereign nations have every right to their own opinion. Ukraine never did officially endorse her, but they secretly favored her over Trump, and actively "colluded" with her to disseminate unfavorable information (maybe true, maybe not) about Trump's associates.

Russia could, of course, publish anything it wants in Pravada, and/or convey any information they wanted to the FBI, or anybody else, without Trump's involvement. But they might also prefer giving it to an important american citizen to pass on.

Either way, there would have been absolutely nothing wrong with Trump acquiring the info. CNN, et al, published all kinds of information regarding DNC emails which reputedly came from the russians. I haven't heard anyone accusing them of improper "collusion" with the russians, have you?
snood
 
  3  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 05:04 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

So, to be clear, you're a member of the Religious Right, then.


No. Is this another example of your Vulcan like logic at work?

Yes, sir.

Where does that put you and your black and white Manacheanism seeing as how you're neither Secular Leftist nor Religious Right, then?

Ooh! Ooh! ,raising hand and jumping up and down excitedly> I know! I know!
Is it....No damn where????
ossobucotemp
 
  1  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 05:31 pm
@snood,
Damn, I have to look up how to spell Manichaeism again?

I have very faint memories of agreeing with it,
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layman
 
  -3  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 05:52 pm
Ya don't say:

Quote:
More Obama officials scrutinized in 'unmasking' probe

The number of people thought to be involved in the alleged “unmasking” of American citizens under the Obama administration could be expanding, according to a source close to the House Intelligence Committee’s review

The source with knowledge of the review told Fox News the records suggest the unmasking “goes beyond” key officials like former National Security Adviser Susan Rice, former CIA Director John Brennan and former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Samantha Power.

The source said more than a half-dozen former senior Obama administration officials are now of interest to House committee investigators.

Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., issued subpoenas in May to the CIA, FBI and NSA for records about the identification of American citizens in intelligence reports, also known as “unmasking.”

The source said House investigators are only at the beginning of their assessment and described the paper trail as containing “a significant number of records.”

Rice in March had told PBS she “knew nothing” about Trump associate unmasking.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/17/more-obama-officials-scrutinized-in-unmasking-probe.html
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Real Music
 
  4  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 06:07 pm
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/if-republicans-love-their-country-when-will-they-show-it.html

If Republicans Love Their Country, When Will They Show It?
Quote:
These are the words that will resonate for quite a while, typed just 17 minutes after Don Jr. was told the Clinton dirt was coming from the Kremlin: “If it’s what you say I love it.” If you’d been tasked with inventing an email chain proving an intent to “collude” with a hostile foreign government, could you have come up with something as water-tight as Don Jr.’s? I don’t mean actual collusion; I mean intent.

This is not about being dumb. It’s not about being ruthless. It’s not about oppo research. It’s not even about dirty tricks. This is about a very basic level of patriotism. It’s about a deep question of how you were brought up and what your values are. And Trump values are foul. Yesterday, as if to prove the point, the paterfamilias revealed his own view of a case in which a foreign despot offered his campaign dirt on his opponent: “If you got a call and said, ‘Listen I have information on Hillary and the DNC,’ or whatever it was they said, most people are going to take that meeting, I think.” Even when it’s coming from a foreign enemy. And so we learn one more time: If it ever comes to a choice between Trump and America, Trump will pick Trump.

There is a reason the Founders made the presidency — alone of all the offices of state — reserved for a natural-born American. There’s a reason every new citizen must swear this oath: “I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen.” The Founders were deeply worried that the republic could be corrupted by foreign influence, money, or power. No office was more critical in this than that of commander-in-chief. And it was in part for this exact contingency that impeachment was included in the Constitution. As ultra-right Republican Andy McCarthy just wrote in National Review:
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old europe
 
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Mon 17 Jul, 2017 06:16 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
Either way, there would have been absolutely nothing wrong with Trump acquiring the info.


Trump defenders for the last months: There was absolutely no collusion. This is a witch hunt. Neither Trump nor the Trump campaign colluded. All of this is fake news.

Trump defenders last week: Collusion is not illegal.

Trump defenders now: Collusion is perfectly reasonable. Anybody would have colluded. There is absolutely nothing wrong with collusion. The Trump campaign did the only logical thing in colluding with the Russians.
snood
 
  4  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 06:22 pm
@old europe,
Pretty neat trick, eh?
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layman
 
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Mon 17 Jul, 2017 06:23 pm
@old europe,
I've already talked at some length about what cheese-eaters intended by the word "collusion," i.e. criminal, corrupt, treasonous subversion. Such "collusion" by Trump or his campaign has never been shown.

There is nothing illegal about receiving information. Never has been, never will be, in the U.S., due, in part, to the First Amendment. Beyond that, just simple common sense, of course.

Next thing you know, if you listen to cheese-eaters, listening to a mexican radio station will be "colluding" with Mexico.

Sorry, but my using the word "cat" to refer to bears, dogs, and elephants does not make them all "cats.'
snood
 
  6  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 06:48 pm
Breaking News! Senators Moran and Lee just came out against the Trumpcare bill - dropping the 'yeas' to 48, and dooming the bill.

<edit> That's Jerry Moran from Kansas, and Mike Lee from Utah
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Olivier5
 
  5  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 07:13 pm
@layman,
I got news for you Lieboy: you did doctor this quote. You'd have to have some sort of moral sense in order to realize that, though. I bet you think you "edited" or "summarized" it but in actual fact you tried to mislead us.

Nice try, bouffeur de merde.
layman
 
  -2  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 07:33 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

I got news for you Lieboy: you did doctor this quote. You'd have to have some sort of moral sense in order to realize that, though. I bet you think you "edited" or "summarized" it but in actual fact you tried to mislead us.

Nice try, bouffeur de merde.


Heh, you're ridiculous, Ollie.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 07:35 pm
@layman,
I don't like liars.
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old europe
 
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Mon 17 Jul, 2017 07:42 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
I've already talked at some length about what cheese-eaters intended by the word "collusion," i.e. criminal, corrupt, treasonous subversion. Such "collusion" by Trump or his campaign has never been shown.


That's exactly what ya'll were saying about the Trump campaign meeting with Russians in an effort to undermine Hillary's campaign.

Never happened, all fake news, all made up by liberals sore about losing the elections, all a witch hunt. Until Trump jr. personally posted evidence for exactly that.

And of course, it's not true: Section 30121 of Title 52 makes it a criminal offense for any foreigner to contribute money or any “other thing of value” in relationship with an American election, and it also makes it a criminal offense for anyone to solicit a foreigner to do so. Trump jr. personally pointed out that all he wanted to receive from (what he thought to be) a Russian state agent was opposition research. Opposition research is valuable - campaigns easily spend tens of thousands of dollars on regular opposition research.

Ultimately, there's no reason to believe anyone in the Trump campaign or administration. Nobody in this circle has any regard for the truth. Lies are a matter of course. Every new revelation is being defended by new lies, right up to the point where those are shown to be lies.
roger
 
  2  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 07:59 pm
@old europe,
I have been noticing that, too.
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 17 Jul, 2017 08:00 pm
It is necessary to understand the entities and forces behind a number of the policies being pushed by the Trump administration.
Quote:
President-elect Donald Trump raised eyebrows late last year when he named the head of an obscure right-wing think tank, with close ties to petrochemical billionaires Charles and David Koch, to lead his energy transition team. Since then, officials from the Institute for Energy Research (IER) have been appointed to high-level positions at the Department of Energy where they are playing major roles in implementing pro-fossil fuel, anti-renewable energy policies.

Thomas Pyle, who serves as president of IER and its advocacy arm, the American Energy Alliance (AEA), set the tone by drafting a priority list for the new administration; at the top of the list was withdrawal from the Paris climate agreement.
TP
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