@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
I was mainly commenting on how 13 white men are writing laws that affect 1/6 of our economy and 330 million people. Hey are doing this on their own. Closed door meeting. No focus groups. No comments from other members of their party and especially not the opposing party. No industry meetings or input.
13 men. No input from women.
13 white men. No input from people of color who have different medical needs/cultural concerns.
13 rich men. No input from the poor.
I'm not saying that 13 white men can't write good law. I'm suggesting that their process is wrought with blind spots and problems given the scope of what they are trying to do.
Well, you and I don't really know how much input they have considered from those of a different gender or color than their own. It's not as if they have all put themselves in a sound proof chamber since 1/1/17. They get e-mail, letters, phone calls and some have held Town Hall meetings.
They should know their constituents and their voters. In the case of the House, regardless of how you feel about it, gerrymandering has created districts that are deliberately not politically diverse. To the extent that the process tends to exclude or embrace a given race, gender, or economic level it is far more a case of the voting history of such groups rather than prejudice. A GOP State party employing gerrymandering to create districts that are "safe" for Republicans, isn't going to try and exclude a neighborhood of conservative Mexican-Americans who have a long history of voting Republican. There aren't going to be huge numbers of traditionally Democrat voters in the districts that GOP incumbents have held for a long time and the reverse is true in "safe" Democrat districts. This leads to questions about whether the democratic process is really working when there are so many "safe" seats, but for right now at least, it is what it is and to expect elected politicians of either Party to behave as if it isn't what it is, is unrealistic.
Do you really think that poor women of color (or any other permutation of the groups you've cited) should be directly involved in the crafting process of a bill? In the actual room with them; behind the closed door? Have the Democrats ever done such a thing?
I've no problem with distrust of politicians in general (I actually think it is a necessity) or concern about legislation being crafted solely by members of an ideological group with which someone mainly disagree (Like I said, I didn't like it when the Democrats did it with ACA, I can't pretend it's unreasonable for you or snood to dislike it when the GOP is calling all of the shots) However I find it problematic when the suggestion is made that any American needs to fear legislation simply because of the race or gender of the crafters. I think it is at best a superfluous argument, contributes to division based on race and gender, and is very unfair to the 13 white men involved. I feel quite sure that you would find it problematic if I suggested that any American needs to fear legislation crafted solely by African-Americans or women, and, of course, you would be right.
We have a pretty clear dividing line between the ideology of the right and the left. I generally disagree with the left so I would take no solace in 13 rich, liberal men exclusively crafting legislation simply because they share color, economic status, and gender with me, while I would be more than comfortable with 13 black and/or female Republicans (there are no poor Republicans or Democrats in DC) crafting the same legislation.