@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
hawkeye10 wrote:
This is not about you or other A2K members, this is about the Washington Elite.....they had a choice to make, either try to govern through Trump which in part means to try to help him out because do the best they count for America given the situation was the most important thing, or they could "RESIST!" and get Trump out of town ASAP. They had made their choice by the first of Feb. But they have been unable to get the job done.
1) If by Washington elite you mean the MSM, then I'm sure their primary goal is selling papers, advertisements, and getting internet clicks. That's about all that matters and that's why literally everything that can be a scandal or implied scandal is blown up, no matter who is president.
2) Who do you think isn't trying to govern through Trump where they can? Do you expect the democrats to vote to repeal Obamacare? They've been completely locked out of all the healthcare deliberations by both the house and the senate. This is in STARK contrast to when Obamacare was written and debated for over a year. I will agree with you (if I can assume your position) that the filibuster of Neil Gorsuch was a pretty bold and largely un-defendable position....had it not been preceded by the Merrick Garland largely un-defendable position taken by the Republicans.
3) I see a few politicians calling for a Trump impeachment. I don't think they'd actually go through with this if they had the power. It's kinda what the minority party does all the time though isn't it? When you don't have the power to do anything in congress, you ramp up your rhetoric and then when you get power, and your votes and talk actually matter...you usually act more restrained. See the Obamacare repeal vote for a recent example. The house voted to straight-repeal the bill something like 50 times when the knew that their vote would go absolutely nowhere. Once they had power and their votes and words meant something...well, we have the flawed bills we see now.
I have a bit of time so:
1) The corporate Class Propaganda Machine sells all of the interests of the corporate class, and yes, one of those interests is currently to off-load The People's Choice, because he was never on the approved list of candidates, as they made clear over and over last year.
2) I dont think there is any significant segment of the elite who are trying to govern through Trump, they are either waiting till he is off loaded (AKA are on strike) or they are actively working to get him gone. Getting ObamaCare out of the ICU, that is fixing it enough that we dont need to deal with it till we get Washington fixed enough that we can come back and actually start reforming our deeply broken bankrupting this nation medical system would have been a good move had these useless clods wanted to make an effort for America, but that is not what they decided to do. Instead we Get the D Branch of the DC ELITE giving the nation the finger refusing to do anything, and we get the R Branch pretending that they are in the effort to fix ObamaCare but clearly they are not, they are doing what they always do in trying to give tax breaks to the wrong people (and seriously we need to be increasing taxes not decreasing taxes) and so far not being able to get anything accomplished. Not that I am shocked, as I said months ago that they are unlikely to, because they suck and because they over all these years never bothered to come up with a plan to fix the medical system in general or ObamaCare in particular even as they bitch and moaned and claimed that they were going to do it as soon as they had power. But see they were sure that Trump was going to lose, they spent half of 2015 getting ready to make Hilary look bad, and they most of them were doing their best to help Hilary along because Trump was never an approved candidate, he was allowed into the primary for comedic value, he was never supposed to last more than a couple of months, he was never supposed to get even one vote.
3) You have from the beginning never seen R's support Trump either, nor have you seen them getting anything done since Trump came to down, and yes a lot of that is sheer incompetence but it is also them waiting till Trumps numbers come down enough to get him gone and thus get to Pence, who will do as he is told because he is very very lucky to be in the POTUS chair and he is none too bright and he has rarely shown to be interested or capable of generating and then accomplishing an agenda. The idea is that if Washington stays broken and all anyone ever talks about is Trump and his drama then eventually the little people will be willing to let him go, and once that happens Trump is gone, because the only support he has is the little people, the Elite Class is almost completely united against him. And this should not shock anyone, the D Division has been arguing that Trump cant be allowed in Washington because he is morally unfit (AKA does not comply with the agreed program) from the jump, and the R Division over the last many years has rarely refused to comply with guilt trips generated by liberalism, they always fold lying as they do, which is why Trump beat all of their candidates in the first place.