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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
layman
 
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Sun 9 Jul, 2017 08:21 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
On Sunday, the New York Times said that Mr Trump Jr had agreed to the meeting after being offered information that would potentially prove detrimental to Mrs Clinton, who was Democratic presidential candidate at the time.


What a bogus, misleading, "fake news" report from the BBC. Here is Trump, Jr.'s full statement about the matter:

Quote:
I was asked to have a meeting by an acquaintance I knew from the 2013 Miss Universe pageant with an individual who I was told might have information helpful to the campaign.

"I was not told her name prior to the meeting. I asked Jared (Kushner) and Paul (Manafort) to attend, but told them nothing of the substance. We had a meeting in June 2016. After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton.

"Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information. She then changed subjects and began discussing the adoption of Russian children and mentioned the Magnitsky Act.

"It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting. I interrupted and advised her that my father was not an elected official, but rather a private citizen, and that her comments and concerns were better addressed if and when he held public office.

"The meeting lasted approximately 20 to 30 minutes. As it ended, my acquaintance apologized for taking up our time. That was the end of it and there was no further contact or follow-up of any kind. My father knew nothing of the meeting or these events."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/09/full-statement-by-donald-trump-jr-on-sundays-new-york-times-report.html

Information "helpful to the campaign" would always be welcomed by any candidate for office, but it need not be "detrimental" to Clinton, except indirectly.

Either way, the purported "information" turned out to be that Clinton was doing what she now accuses Trump of, and wants to investigate until the end of time. Time for Mueller to investigate the Clinton campaign if he's looking for "russian meddling," eh?
layman
 
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Sun 9 Jul, 2017 08:33 pm
@layman,
Quote:
The woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton.


No doubt the cheese-eaters' viewpoint is that Trump had no goddamn right to even listen to this information about Clinton, and that doing so was tantamount to "hacking the election," ruining democracy, and "conspiring with Putin to rig the election," eh?

Aint that right, cheese-eaters?
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 08:34 pm
https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19989601_1794895537203959_2714715689684594268_n.jpg?oh=810f99b7133094873e6c6565b3d171a5&oe=5A0DB500
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reasoning logic
 
  0  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 08:37 pm
@layman,
Would it be wrong to say this is one of your news sources?



Quote:
"I was not told her name prior to the meeting. I asked Jared (Kushner) and Paul (Manafort) to attend, but told them nothing of the substance. We had a meeting in June 2016. After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton.
layman
 
  -1  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 08:42 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Would it be wrong to say this is one of your news sources?


Yes, it would. Those are the verbatim words of Trump Jr., made (and recorded) on national TV for all to see and hear.

It is NOT one of the NYT's anonymous sources who purport to be "in the know" and who dispense conclusions, not facts or verbatim words. Of course these conclusion may come from the reporter himself, making second-third hand judgments, but they are presented as "fact."
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -4  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 08:46 pm
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449309/trump-russia-separating-hysteria-genuine-concerns

An Updated Idiot’s Guide to the Trump/Russia Controversy


Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 08:47 pm
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449286/israel-bds-movement-adalah-lincoln-center-festival-play-theater-david-grossman-end-land

Artists against Theater
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 08:52 pm
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449281/donald-trump-immigration-democrats-urged-be-more-moderate

Trump Is Winning the Immigration Debate

Quote:
Now, intellectuals on the center-left are calling for Democrats to rethink the party’s orthodoxy on immigration, which has become more and more hostile to enforcement and to any skepticism about current high levels of immigration.


Quote:
In light of the election, Josh Barro of Business Insider, William Galston of the Brookings Institution, Peter Beinart of the Atlantic, Fareed Zakaria of CNN, and Stanley Greenberg of Democracy Corps, among others, have urged Democrats to recalibrate.

Quote:

Few would have guessed that in the 1990s, conservative Republicans, so unreservedly in favor of tough sentencing, would be open to joining liberals on criminal-justice reform. Perhaps Democrats will eventually recalibrate on immigration. If so, the unlikely instrument of the sea change will have been none other than Donald J. Trump.





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layman
 
  -2  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 08:54 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
An aptly titled article, Finn. You'd have to be an idiot if you didn't already know this:

Quote:
Every minute spent by the media sifting through nonexistent evidence and throwing out baseless accusations feeds directly into Trump’s derisions of the “fake news MSM.”

Like most things of value, credibility is finite. The media look intent on spending all of theirs on a cause célèbre that in all likelihood will prove to be nothing more than a witch hunt.

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layman
 
  -2  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 09:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Heh, this from the same perverts who lavish wild praise on the Trump/Julius Caesar production, and loudly condemn any perceived attempt to "suppress" it, eh?

Quote:
Activists try to shut down a play because it’s sponsored by the Israeli government

When the Lincoln Center Festival announced it was staging a four-night production this month that is subsidized by the state of Israel, dozens of big-name professionals from New York’s theater world, including highly regarded actors, writers, and directors, demanded the play be scrapped.

“We call on Lincoln Center to avoid complicity with Brand Israel by cancelling these performances.” These artists are free to avoid any play sponsored by any entity they don’t like, but now they are trying to prevent everyone else in New York from seeing this play. This is very much more sinister than a mere boycott.

Though the play is sponsored by Israel’s Office of Cultural Affairs, it’s an anti-war piece, not simple-minded cheerleading for the state of Israel. David Grossman, the author of the novel from which the play is adapted, lost his son Uri to fighting on the last day of Israel’s offensive in Lebanon in 2006. Since then, writes Judith Miller in Tablet magazine in her review of the play, “Grossman has become among the most outspoken Jewish Israeli voices against war and occupation. He has frequently protested the demolitions of houses in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.”


What's "simple-minded" is the Palestinian cheer-leading of cheese-eaters like this, eh?
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oralloy
 
  0  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 09:06 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:
Sorry for derailing does anyone know about Cicerone? I haven't see him for a while on the forum. Is he ok?

CI's last post was just two days ago.

But it was in a thread about difficulty signing in (I think) so that might explain any sparseness of posts.

http://able2know.org/topic/395169-1#post-6460701

I miss Parados. He stopped posting when Trump was elected. I presume that this means he just felt like taking a break after the election. But it would be nice if he returned. He's the only person on a2k who has ever succeeded in pointing out a fact that I've been wrong about (and he's done it several times over the years).
layman
 
  -3  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 09:21 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

I miss Parados. He stopped posting when Trump was elected.

Yeah, I wish that perv would come back too. He still owes me $10,000 for a bet he reneged on, eh?
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gungasnake
 
  -4  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 10:32 pm
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 10:50 pm
@gungasnake,
Harley Schlanger is one of LaRouchePAC's best speakers and brightest lights.
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oristarA
 
  0  
Sun 9 Jul, 2017 11:54 pm
@gungasnake,

And now, let us look at what Bill Gates said:

“Whether it’s research, making sure that pandemics don’t come to get us and helping other countries … I’d make sure he knew all about it.”

Gates promises us that he will make sure Trump has the knowledge of pandemics! No matter how inferior Trump is in understanding (medical) science!

Trump's contempt for science has become notorious. He's just unprecedentedly isolated America in G20 meeting! We're glad to see that Bill would like to take the tough job to teach Trump to behave properly. Cool

izzythepush
 
  3  
Mon 10 Jul, 2017 12:55 am
Quote:
Donald Trump has backtracked on a proposal to work with Russia to create an "impenetrable" cybersecurity unit to prevent election hacking.
Hours after promoting the idea on Sunday, the US president said that he did not think it could actually happen.
The idea of a partnership with Russia was ridiculed by senior Republicans.
It comes after Mr Trump's first face-to-face talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Germany on Friday, in which the pair discussed the issue.
Mr Trump described the outcome of the talks as positive and suggested closer co-operation between the two nations.
"Putin and I discussed forming an impenetrable cybersecurity unit so that election hacking, and many other negative things, will be guarded and safe," he said.
The initial proposal immediately prompted derision from Democrats, as well as some Republicans who questioned why the US would work with Russia after the Kremlin's alleged meddling in the 2016 US election.
Mr Trump shifted his position on Sunday night.
"The fact that President Putin and I discussed a cybersecurity unit doesn't mean I think it can happen. It can't," he tweeted.
Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin had sought to defend the proposed cyber unit after Mr Trump's initial announcement.
Speaking on ABC's This Week programme, he described it as a "significant accomplishment" for Mr Trump.
"What we want to make sure is that we co-ordinate with Russia," he added.
However, Republican Senator Marco Rubio suggested that such an initiative would be like partnering with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on chemical weapons.
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said: "It's not the dumbest idea I've ever heard, but it's pretty close."
A special prosecutor is investigating whether Trump associates colluded with alleged Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US election.
Both Mr Trump and Mr Putin said the allegations had been discussed.
However, the two sides described the content of the meeting differently.
Mr Trump said he "strongly pressed" the issue with Mr Putin, who had "vehemently denied" interfering in the US election.
He also said it was time to work more "constructively" with Russia.
President Putin said he believed President Trump had accepted his assurances that Moscow had not interfered in the vote.
However, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said interference in the 2016 election remained an impediment to better relations with Russia, while the US ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, said the US "can't trust Russia" and "won't ever trust Russia".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40552571
roger
 
  2  
Mon 10 Jul, 2017 12:59 am
@izzythepush,
Oh yeah? Me and Mr. Fox have formed a partnership involved with protecting hen houses.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 10 Jul, 2017 01:02 am
@roger,
I saw a fox crossing the road yesterday. We've got quite a few urban foxes living in Southampton, not many chickens though.
 

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