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Builder
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 02:43 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
What's laughable is that you still think people believe your mad bollocks.


It's actually quite comical that you think I care about the opinions of the few people left here on these boards.

I hope, sincerely, that you get a life one day, sunshine.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 4 Jul, 2017 04:22 am
@Builder,
I don't give a monkey's. You're a conspiracy nut who likes to pretend he has some secret knowledge because it's infinitely preferable to the truth which is that you're a rather sad, gullible idiot who needs to feel important.

Btw, you responded to my post.
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snood
 
  4  
Tue 4 Jul, 2017 07:49 am
Looks like it's 40 states now who won't participate in Trump's voter fraud "investigation".
revelette1
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 08:32 am
Quote:
Patriots Don't Criticize Trump to Foreigners: Poll

Fourth of July heralds fireworks, hot dogs and overt displays of American patriotism but a new poll suggests that Americans not only doubt the loyalty of their compatriots but also that increasing numbers of Republicans are convinced that criticizing President Donald Trump to foreigners is incompatible with flag-waving, tub-thumping nationalism.

According to a YouGov poll, more than half (53 percent) of Republicans think those expressing criticism of the president to non-Americans aren't patriotic, while only one third think the opposite is true.

The poll is a complete reversal of Republican views in Democrat Barack Obama's presidency. In a similar survey in 2013, over half (52 percent) of Republicans thought criticizing the president to foreigners was compatible with patriotism and only a third (34 percent) disagreed.

For Democrats, criticism of the president is no impediment to patriotism, regardless of the sitting president's party. In the latest poll, 57 percent of Democrats said that an American can criticize the president to a non-American with no dent to their patriotic credentials. A clear majority of Democrats (53 percent) also thought it was acceptable to criticize the president to non-Americans when Obama was president.

The poll discovered widespread skepticism among Americans about the patriotic conviction of their fellow citizens, with 45 percent saying the country is becoming less patriotic. The figure is a small decrease from the 2013 figure, when 46 percent of Americans thought their countrymen and countrywomen were becoming less patriotic.

The YouGov poll also exposed generational difference, with patriotism an identification of the old rather than young.

While 61 percent of those aged 65 or older described themselves as “very patriotic,” only 20 percent of those under 30 described themselves in the same terms.

The results reflect the increasingly divided political landscape in the U.S., backed up by a Pew poll last year that found greater political differences among Americans today than at any point in the last two decades.


Newsweek
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revelette1
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 08:34 am
@snood,
I wonder what kind of gimmicky name Trump and loyal followers are going to come up for those states? They can't all be democrat states.
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glitterbag
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 11:23 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Looks like it's 40 states now who won't participate in Trump's voter fraud "investigation".


I can't believe anyone in the administration thought this was a good idea. Then again, I never thought a rodeo clown could become president. Utterly outrageous that they want a 'national registration ' of people's party affiliation AND voting history.
snood
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 11:49 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I wonder what kind of gimmicky name Trump and loyal followers are going to come up for those states? They can't all be democrat states.

There's strength in numbers. Even Donald and his trumpettes are smart enough to know that when the opposition is that strong, they can't blow it off. Although if this guy does start trying to call all the governors and attorneys general of 40 states names, I won't be surprised. He's a frikkin dunce. Dangerous, but a dunce.
ossobucotemp
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 12:09 pm
@snood,
I last read that the number of states was 41. Do you know if there is a list online? I could and should look that up myself. Wondering about my present US State, New Mexico. I'm guessing and hoping it's a No, but it is possible it won't be. I miss California badly, but admit that New Mexico is growing on me re the beauty and what I've experienced of the people - I say, as I brush off the sand.
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Tue 4 Jul, 2017 12:25 pm
@ossobucotemp,
By CNN's count, the total number of states refusing full compliance is 44 (plus the District of Columbia): Forty-four states have refused Kobach's request for voter information


ossobucotemp
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 12:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Good...
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ossobucotemp
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 12:53 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Thank for the info, Walter:

New Mexico, Michigan, South Carolina and West Virginia -- have already pledged not to provide voters' private information.

Whew!
roger
 
  1  
Tue 4 Jul, 2017 01:18 pm
@ossobucotemp,
For sure.
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revelette1
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 01:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks Walter. I am pleasantly shocked at my state's response.

Quote:
Kentucky: "As the Commonwealth's Secretary of State and chief election official, I do not intend to release Kentuckians' sensitive personal data to the federal government. ..." Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes said in a statement Friday. "The president created his election commission based on the false notion that "voter fraud" is a widespread issue -- it is not. Indeed, despite bipartisan objections and a lack of authority, the President has repeatedly spread the lie that three to five million illegal votes were cast in the last election. Kentucky will not aid a commission that is at best a waste of taxpayer money and at worst an attempt to legitimize voter suppression efforts across the country."
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layman
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 01:44 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

By CNN's count, the total number of states refusing full compliance is 44 (plus the District of Columbia):


The key word here is "FULL," of course, Walt.

CNN wrote:
Forty-four states have refused to give certain voter information to Trump commission

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, vice chairman of the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, which President Donald Trump created by executive order in May, sent a letter to all 50 states last Wednesday requesting a bevy of voter data, which he notes will eventually be made available to the public.

The vice chairman's letter twice requests only "public" voter information, and Kobach clarified the specifics of his request Friday: "Every state receives the same letter, but we're not asking for it if it's not publicly available," he told The Kansas City Star. "Whatever a person on the street can walk in and get, that's what we would like."

The information the commission is seeking includes registrants' full names, addresses, dates of birth, political parties, the last four digits of their social security numbers, a list of the elections they voted in since 2006, information on any felony convictions, information on whether they were registered to vote in other states, their military status, and whether they lived overseas.

But the commission seemed to misunderstand voter privacy laws nationwide.

Every state that responded to the commission's letter said it could not provide Social Security numbers.


If it's not publicly available, OK. Otherwise, what's the problem? What are they trying to hide from this bi-partisan federal panel?

This commission is only trying to put PUBLIC information in one place, for viewing by the PUBLIC.

Again, 44 states are NOT "refusing to comply." They are refusing to FULLY comply, that's all.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 01:55 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
The key word here is "FULL," of course, Walt.
That's what I posted in my quote.
Sorry that you couldn't you read or see it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 4 Jul, 2017 02:01 pm
@layman,
Sorry, you are correct again: FULL wasn't included in my post.
My bad.
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