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Olivier5
 
  3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 07:34 am
@giujohn,
Yep, like Infowars and Breibart. They killed journalism alright.
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revelette1
 
  5  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 07:39 am
Trump Administration Rolls Back Civil Rights Efforts Across Federal Government(ProPublica)

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For decades, the Department of Justice has used court-enforced agreements to protect civil rights, successfully desegregating school systems, reforming police departments, ensuring access for the disabled and defending the religious.

Now, under Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the DOJ appears to be turning away from this storied tool, called consent decrees. Top officials in the DOJ civil rights division have issued verbal instructions through the ranks to seek settlements without consent decrees — which would result in no continuing court oversight.

The move is just one part of a move by the Trump administration to limit federal civil rights enforcement. Other departments have scaled back the power of their internal divisions that monitor such abuses. In a previously unreported development, the Education Department last week reversed an Obama-era reform that broadened the agency’s approach to protecting rights of students. The Labor Department and the Environmental Protection Agency have also announced sweeping cuts to their enforcement.

“At best, this administration believes that civil rights enforcement is superfluous and can be easily cut. At worst, it really is part of a systematic agenda to roll back civil rights,” said Vanita Gupta, the former acting head of the DOJ’s civil rights division under President Barack Obama.

Consent decrees have not been abandoned entirely by the DOJ, a person with knowledge of the instructions said. Instead, there is a presumption against their use — attorneys should default to using settlements without court oversight unless there is an unavoidable reason for a consent decree. The instructions came from the civil rights division’s office of acting Assistant Attorney General Tom Wheeler and Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Gore. There is no written policy guidance.

Devin O’Malley, a spokesperson for the DOJ, declined to comment for this story.

Consent decrees can be a powerful tool, and spell out specific steps that must be taken to remedy the harm. These are agreed to by both parties and signed off on by a judge, whom the parties can appear before again if the terms are not being met. Though critics say the DOJ sometimes does not enforce consent decrees well enough, they are more powerful than settlements that aren’t overseen by a judge and have no built-in enforcement mechanism.

Such settlements have “far fewer teeth to ensure adequate enforcement,” Gupta said.

Consent decrees often require agencies or municipalities to take expensive steps toward reform. Local leaders and agency heads then can point to the binding court authority when requesting budget increases to ensure reforms. Without consent decrees, many localities or government departments would simply never make such comprehensive changes, said William Yeomans, who spent 26 years at the DOJ, mostly in the civil rights division.



A lot more at the source. To my mind, there is good reason to rebel against this administration, it is like they are trying to take it back to before any civil rights were ever achieved. We can't be silent about it and give to this push to be silent because of the events yesterday.
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revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 07:54 am
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Trump ally Michael Savage calls for government takeover of the media following shooting at GOP baseball practice

Right-wing radio host Michael Savage called for a government takeover of media following a shooting at a baseball practice of Republican members of Congress.

Five people, including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA), were wounded during baseball practice in Alexandria, VA. The assailant, “identified by multiple law enforcement officials as James T. Hodgkinson II,” was killed by police after they exchanged gunfire.

Responding to the shooting, Savage questioned whether Trump should “take control of Twitter” and asked, “Is it time for the government to take control of the out-of-control pirates on social media ... who do not monitor left-wing haters?” He also advocated for removing Rachel Maddow and others from the airwaves by the federal government, citing “their constant drumbeat of their hatred against Trump and Republicans, calling for, among other things, resistance with their sneers every night.”

Savage later argued that CNN and MSNBC were “practicing a silent form of jihad against America” and demanded that Republicans “call a hearing a make the heads of CNN and MSNBC answer to them as to what they are doing to curtail the sneering hatred of Rachel Madcow (sic) in particular.”

Savage concluded his tirade by warning that the violence created by the media’s “jihad” “is only the beginning,” arguing that the shooter was inspired to violence by “the hatred for Republicans and Trump” of the media.


Links embedded at Media Matters
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 08:01 am
@Olivier5,
A wildly overstated claim.
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MontereyJack
 
  7  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 08:59 am
@giujohn,
gooeyjohn says:
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It's infotainment that panders to the lowest common denominator. Journalism is dead. In it's place, rank partisan blowhards with a megaphone.

Well, that's true. Fox "News", Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, AM talk radio, Breitbart, InfoWars are definitely rank partisan blowhards with a microphone.. Can't argue with that.
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 09:05 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l_VS0by8cs

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Three of the biggest names in voter suppression have a message for Attorney General Jeff Sessions: The Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department needs an extreme makeover. In an open letter published this week, former DOJ officials Hans von Spakovsky and J. Christian Adams joined Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach and 22 other signatories in calling on Sessions to clean up the “ideological rot” left behind by the Obama administration and get rid of the “entrenched federal bureaucrats” who have zealously “jettisoned precepts like equal enforcement in favor of political and racialized dogmas.”

In the letter, the authors ask Sessions to shift the Civil Rights Division’s priorities: Instead of concentrating on issues like racism in American policing, as it did under the leadership of attorneys general Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch, they suggest that the Sessions DOJ should put its energy toward putting an end to “politically-driven pursuits against state photo voter identification requirements” and tackling voter intimidation against white people. “Our nation is changing. The mosaic image of America is growing richer in color and detail as each decade passes,” the authors of the letter write. “For these reasons, the American people deserve a Division that seeks to represent and protect all citizens.” They continue:

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Together, we have witnessed longstanding conventions held from the mid-20th century prove outmoded in recent years and discovered new fronts in need of protection where civil rights are concerned—with particular respect to voting. Discrimination, dilution, and poor processes will always be constants, yet the victims can vary in our contemporary era.


Asked for an elaboration on which “longstanding conventions” in civil rights advocacy have become outmoded, a spokesman for the Public Interest Legal Foundation—the law firm where Adams is president—cited a pair of legal disputes over who counts as a “native inhabitant” of Hawaii and Guam. “We essentially argue that discrimination is a human problem that, if our government is to combat it, it must not be seen exclusively through old lenses,” the spokesman said in an email.

The publication of the letter to Sessions did not come as a surprise to civil rights lawyers, who are well-acquainted with many of its arguments and signitories. Kobach most recently drew headlines when it turned out he was one of Donald Trump’s sources for the claim that millions of people had voted illegally in the 2016 election. Von Spakovsky and Adams, meanwhile, are both prominent alumni of the George W. Bush–era Civil Rights Division, where they promoted the idea that election fraud is an urgent national problem and championed state voter identification laws that disproportionately depress turnout among minorities.

Von Spakovsky, now a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, has arguably done more than any other conservative activist to incubate and popularize the myth of widespread voter fraud. Adams, whose law firm is dedicated to fighting against “lawlessness in American elections,” is perhaps best known for resigning from the Justice Department in protest after the Obama administration dismissed voter intimidation complaints against the New Black Panther Party in 2009. Adams told Fox News he thought there was a “hostility” in the Civil Rights Division “to bringing cases on behalf of white victims for the benefit of national racial minorities.” A 2013 report from the DOJ’s inspector general found there was not enough evidence to support the claim.

“What they really want to do—and this has not been a secret, but they’re making it patently obvious—is use the Civil Rights Division as an engine for vote suppression,” said Samuel Bagenstos, who served as a political appointee in the division from 2009 to 2011 and is now a professor at the University of Michigan Law School.

Bagenstos pointed to a section of the letter about hiring practices, in which the authors argue political appointees should be given more hiring authority so as not to “leave the decisions in the hands of career bureaucrats who are reliably opposed to President Trump’s agenda.”

“They’re trying to make the case for repoliticizing hiring,” Bagenstos said, noting that a scathing 2009 inspector general’s report about the improper use of “political or ideological affiliations in assessing applicants” in the Bush-era Civil Rights Division conveniently went unmentioned in the Kobach/von Spakovsky/Adams letter. “This would take us back to some pretty dark days,” Bagenstos said.

The letter to Sessions arrives at a tense time for the civil rights community, with activists and attorneys around the country waiting to find out who will be nominated to lead the Civil Rights Division and whether that person will try to marginalize the division’s career staff.

The authors of the letter are eager to figure that out as well. In a press release published on his law firm’s website, Adams is quoted as saying that, after years of watching the “radicalized” Civil Rights Division advance “leftist causes,” Sessions “has an opportunity to begin the course correction necessary to protect all Americans from civil rights abuses.” In light of this, Adams says, “the most important position General Sessions will fill in the DOJ is the [Assistant Attorney General] for Civil Rights.”

Is Adams himself angling for the role? His spokesman declined to make him available for comment.



gungasnake
 
  -4  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 09:10 am
@revelette1,
Basically, the American people are not goingt to have to suffer from leftist bullshit in the name of "civil rights" much longer.

Thank you Donald Trump!!!!!

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MontereyJack
 
  6  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 09:24 am
@gungasnake,
There has been widespread attempts at voter suppression lately from Republican legislators and state governments, which is why we need a strong Civil Rights division. /trump of course is gutting it. Now the Supreme Court is thinking about taking up gerrymandering for political purposes, which GOP state governments have been doing for a decade, disenfranchising minority voters by claiming gerrymandering is legal if done for purely political ends, rather than its actual effect, which has been to deny minority voters their political rights. Snakkke, as usual, comes down hard on the side of denying people their constitutional rights.
farmerman
 
  4  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 09:40 am
@MontereyJack,
I think the electoral college should be proportionately assigned. So far only Maine an Nebraska are thus,all the rest are "winner take All", and states like California would have their electoral votes increased to represent the real population not some artificial assignment.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 09:42 am
@hightor,

higtor wrote:
Finn, Mr. Trump won't be removed from office without clear evidence of wrongdoing and wide scale popular resentment of his presidency.


Well we'll see hightor. Obviously I'm not quite as confident of this as you are. I hope you are right because if you are not the Union is in a lot of trouble.

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He was elected, not by all of us, but to represent all of us.
He was legally elected through the system our democratic republic has abided by for over 200 years. The people who didn't vote for him can detest him if they please, but he is their president, and he does represent them. Whether or not Trump has done a good or any kind of job in reaching out to the people who he represents but didn't vote for him is immaterial to his legal status as president.

We the people are owed a government that is formed through the election process we are guaranteed under our constitution. Such consistent stability benefits Democrats as much as it benefits Republicans.

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Suspicious behavior regarding contacts with Russian by his campaign staff while the country was being flooded with leaked material probably hacked by Russian operatives led to the current investigations. The investigations will determine the extent of Mr. Trump's culpability — which may be nothing. He is known to have had pretty extensive contacts with figures referred to as the "Russian Mafia" but those contacts themselves are not illegal. But that is part of the reason for the suspicion. His tax records should serve him well if he has nothing to hide. Let the investigation proceed.


This is rather naive. Trump's opposition has been bound and determined to take him down since he won the election, if there was never a "Russian Influence" matter they would have found something else. It doesn't mean that there isn't a possibility of collusion only that it's disingenuous to suggest that absent any cause for suspicion of same we would be in a much different America right now.

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On another front there are ethical concerns raised in the suit by Maryland and the D.C. — here again, he's been particularly tin-eared when it comes possible conflicts of interest. Whether his actions are illegal or not will be settled in the courts.


There are ethical concerns and abuse of power issues with every presidential administration. The opposition party makes the most out of them while the president's party (with rare exception) defends him. If similar suits had been filed for similar reasons during the Obama administration they would have been brought by Republicans, not Democrats. If they are frivilious and baseless a non-partisan judge will toss them. If they have any merit or they are brought before a partisan judge like the hack in Seattle (and before you go there, yes there are hack Republican partisan judges) they will move forward, and ultimately to the USC if necessary. That's our system but it doesn't mean it doesn't get abused for political purposes and there is political intent behind these suits. If there is no merit to these suits but they drag on for years it will benefit the opposition, but it won't benefit the American people who expect their government to operate in their interest within the context of a political framework intended to assure that to the full extent possible the interests of all Americans are taken into consideration and policies and programs that benefit the broadest range of those interests are the result. Obviously this is an aspirational notion and in reality it doesn't always work precisely this way, but we have moved to a point where it is never working this way, and rather than a government working within the context of politics we have politics working within the context of government.

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Mr. Trump's most rabid supporters said they wanted someone who would shake up the establishment, no more "business as usual". Well, this is what that looks like. This is why we normally don't elect politically-inexperienced pop culture icons to high office. Really — what did you expect?


I was never a rabid Trump supporter and I voted for him based on the hope that he would shake up the Establishment. Your use of the term "rabid" suggests you think the notion is extreme to the point of involving mental illness, and your question that ends the above paragraph suggests you include me in this group for which you have so much disdain. It may not matter one whit to you, but I don't appreciate either suggestion.

It would have been naive to think that the Establishment would not resist any efforts made to shake it up, but I will admit that I didn't expect this level of resistance, and so maybe I too was naive. This need not have been the way it played out, but if it was, it certainly doesn't mean it would have played out differently if the effort was launched by a politically experienced leader. I would argue that the fear and desperation of Establishment forces would have been even higher if they thought they were under assault by someone with competence and even skill. As well, a reaction that is expected doesn't have to be accepted.

It says something very troubling about the future of our nation, if attempts to shake up a corrupt system that operates to benefit its members more than the people it serves (Something that people on both sides of the aisle have been decrying for some time now) results in the chaotic turmoil we see today. If in the end, the Establishment is shaken up, the swamp is drained, and DC operates more as it was intended to, then this turmoil will have been worth it (that can, btw, happen even if Trump is found to be truly guilty of material high crimes and misdemeanors and is removed...unlikely, but Trump isn't the only leader who can accomplish what needs to be done). If on the other hand it does not, then it won't only be Republicans who should feel very disappointed. The folks who supported Bernie Sanders were looking for the same thing as the rabid supporters of Trump: A shake-up in the Establishment. There's no reason to believe that an Establishment that won't allow a Republican president to shake it up would welcome a trip to the mix-master induced by a Democratic one.

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I'm not saying I expected a Clinton presidency to be running any more smoothly — the 2016 election was a disaster waiting to happen with either outcome. The only way out I can see is the emergence of a new centrist party and the implementation of ranked choice voting. Not very realistic, I know. May be there is no solution. Maybe, thinking we could have it all and that the post-war economic boom would continue without consequences forever, we simply outsmarted ourselves. It's not as if the other western democracies are doing that much better.


I have to agree that, at least for me, the choice presented to us in the 2106 election was never thrilling, never inspiring, and filled with anxiety and depression. For all of his flaws, Trump, at least, presented the possibility of shaking up the Establishment. Clinton was the worst of the Establishment personified.

There may be several ways out of this mess and a third party could be one, but our increasingly tribal tendencies are being shaped and reinforced by societal trends and factors that exist outside of DC politics (e.g. social media, and increasing choice in all things) and so I'm not sanguine about the positive impact of a " centrist" third party, because I don't think even a very sizable minority of the American people really want one. They might be initially attracted to candidates who eschew fiery rhetoric for serious and informed appeals for common sense compromise, but for too many people there really is no ground for compromise, it's increasingly becoming a black & white and even a Manichean nation. Of course I could be wrong, but as I've predicted before, the future of the Union is bleak. I won't argue that it is doomed, but I don't see the sort of trend reversal required happening. It may be as much as much as 50 years away or it could all blow up because of the Trump Presidency and all that it has entailed.

Another solution might be the sinking of the entire population into utter apathy with a strong enough social safety net to keep people from rocking the boat. Unfortunately a strong social safety net won't be enough to satisfy the myriad of grievances (some serious, most petty) of ever more specifically defined groups of Americans, and the cost of a safety net strong enough to satisfy the materialism of most Americans is unsustainable, even for a short period.

I may be sinking into a permanent state of defeatism, because I don't see enough signs that the United States of America has the potential to rebound, but I'm not bullish on the future of that entity, and I am less and less inclined to find it a sacred trust that must be preserved for all time.
farmerman
 
  6  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 09:45 am
@farmerman,
Congressional District re chosen in an insanely accurate basis of isolating voters with the plan to disenfranchise the minority party. It happens on Baoth sides. NY and Marylnd use Gerrymandering to favor the Dems, while states like Pa (look t PA's 7th district) are chosen by the GOP legislature (which was chosen s a result of gradual GOPizing of the legislature since the early 90's)
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 10:00 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

gooeyjohn says:
Quote:

It's infotainment that panders to the lowest common denominator. Journalism is dead. In it's place, rank partisan blowhards with a megaphone.

Well, that's true. Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, AM talk radio, Breitbart, InfoWars are definitely rank partisan blowhards with a microphone.. Can't argue with that.


How maladroit of you...these are not news agencies. Let me be succinct enough so even YOU will understand. ABC CBS NBC MSNBC CNN WAPO NYT.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 10:12 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Evidently, that shooting Bernite thought otherwise, and there will be others like him. If I were still living in the states, I would buy a gun at this point. There is no trust left in the US, no binding force. And if you can't trust your neighbour anymore, you'd better get ready to defend yourself from him or her.

Hopefully we can set up laws to deal with these Democrats before they start murdering everyone.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 10:15 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Finn, Mr. Trump won't be removed from office without clear evidence of wrongdoing and wide scale popular resentment of his presidency.

The Democrats are quite clearly trying to remove him without any wrongdoing having been committed.


hightor wrote:
Despite narrowly winning a close election he has been a singular failure when it comes to reaching out to his opposition — which seems to be a key to his ineffectiveness so far.

The way the Democrats have reacted to Trump shows that there is no point to reaching out to them. The only thing we can do with Democrats is incarcerate them.


hightor wrote:
The opposing party is not required to rubber stamp the calculated (and seemingly spiteful) undoing of every piece of legislation passed by the previous administration.

They are however required to accept the results of the election and not abuse the law to try to convict innocent people of imaginary crimes.

They are also required to not go around murdering people, but it is clear that Democrats have no limits whatsoever.


hightor wrote:
Suspicious behavior regarding contacts with Russian by his campaign staff while the country was being flooded with leaked material probably hacked by Russian operatives led to the current investigations.

Given that there is nothing wrong with such contacts, there is nothing suspicious about them.

The current investigations came about because the Democrats are maliciously trying to convict innocent people of imaginary crimes.


hightor wrote:
The investigations will determine the extent of Mr. Trump's culpability — which may be nothing.

It is already clear that the contacts are not illegal. And it is already clear that Trump was not involved in the contacts. What the investigations are trying to do is find a way to wrongfully convict him despite his innocence.


hightor wrote:
Let the investigation proceed.

No. Let's outlaw the Democratic Party and put an end to their witch hunts.


hightor wrote:
Mr. Trump's most rabid supporters said they wanted someone who would shake up the establishment, no more "business as usual". Well, this is what that looks like. This is why we normally don't elect politically-inexperienced pop culture icons to high office. Really — what did you expect?

When the people elect someone to make a change, that does not justify the Democrats conducting witch hunts to try to convict innocent people of imaginary crimes.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 10:18 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Youre a mystery . On some items you come across well informed and intelligent. Then you start posting like some 13 year old who has no idea about whats in the US Constitution re "rights of assembly, speech, petition, etc etc". If you want me to defend the 2nd amendment, you better start recognizing all the others.

Nonsense. I support those other rights, probably more than you do.


farmerman wrote:
Most of your colleagues recognize facts and recognize what makes our country great, when you begin to travel a road that ends in fascism,or worse, I think most of them will separate themselves from you,(except gungasnake, who's mostly just messin with your head)

Preventing the Democratic Party from destroying innocent lives will not lead to Fascism.

If anything is going to lead to Fascism it will be allowing the Democrats to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.
Blickers
 
  5  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 10:28 am
@oralloy,
Senior Administration and campaign officials who work for Putin and then lie about it are not innocent.

Attorneys General who meet with Russian ambassadors and then lie about it twice are not innocent.

This investigation is necessary to safeguard America from foreign influences running our country.
hightor
 
  6  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 10:35 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Your use of the term "rabid" suggests you think the notion is extreme to the point of involving mental illness, and your question that ends the above paragraph suggests you include me in this group for which you have so much disdain. It may not matter one whit to you, but I don't appreciate either suggestion.

I do not include you — or several of the other Trump supporters here — in that group. My use of the word "you" was as a general term, addressed to all. As in, "Well, what do you know?"

If I ever wish to condemn you for your beliefs or opinions (which I doubt that I ever would) there will be no ambiguity.

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Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 11:07 am
@oralloy,
You like playing Nazi, don't you?
Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 11:29 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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They might be initially attracted to candidates who eschew fiery rhetoric for serious and informed appeals for common sense compromise, but for too many people there really is no ground for compromise, it's increasingly becoming a black & white and even a Manichean nation. Of course I could be wrong, but as I've predicted before, the future of the Union is bleak.

Yes to that.
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layman
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Jun, 2017 11:34 am
@hightor,
Quote:

I do not include you — or several of the other Trump supporters here — in that group.

Just in case ya aint, be sure to include me out of them that aint rabid, eh?

Aint nobody more rabid than my ass.

I don't care what his policies may be on any particular issue (although I kinda know what they're gunna be). Me and Trump we got one main thing in common that will always have my support, to wit:

He don't like no cheese-eaters, and I don't neither.
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