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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 06:58 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Holy **** man, enough.

The Democratic Party is out of control. Not only are they trying to set up innocent people for imaginary crimes just for disagreeing with them, now the Democrats are even trying to murder people.

If Congress doesn't outlaw the party, you could very well be their next victim.
camlok
 
  0  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 06:59 pm
@oralloy,
Time for a straight jacket, oralloy.
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farmerman
 
  4  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 07:02 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
There is no justification for outlawing the GOP since they are not committing horrible abuses like the Democrats are.


flap flap flap wooooosh. Which is The sound of the "i get the analogy " bird flying over your head.
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layman
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 07:05 pm
@oralloy,
The "horrible abuses" will commence any day now. Just wait until Trump sets Bannon and his crew of orangeshirts loose, eh? That will be the "final solution" to the cheese-eater problem, eh?
farmerman
 
  4  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 07:06 pm
@layman,
see, even Laymin gets it.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 08:16 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
flap flap flap wooooosh. Which is The sound of the "i get the analogy " bird flying over your head.

Your analogy is contrary to reality. The Democrats are the only ones here who are committing horrible abuses to harm people who disagree with them.
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layman
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 08:29 pm
In case there was any lingering doubt, eh?:

Quote:
Scalise shooter: Dead gunman ID'd as Trump-hating

The man who opened fire on a Congressional baseball practice Wednesday, seriously wounding a top Republican lawmaker...despised President Trump, according to what appears to have been his Facebook page.

[He] appears to have maintained two Facebook pages, each replete with profane anti-Trump posts and glowing praise for Sanders.

Hodgkinson appears to have posted an editorial cartoon on the page that depicted Scalise behind a podium, addressing a group of hooded Ku Klux Klansmen. Hodgkinson wrote in the post: "Here's a Republic that should lose his job, but they gave him a raise."

Fox News can confirm that Hodgkinson apparently sent politically-charged letters to the editor of the Belleville News-Democrat, which published a few of them. One letter that Hodgkinson wrote in 2011 stated: "It's time for the Republican congressmen to grow up. Maybe if they weren't so full of hate, they could see what they are doing to this country."


Yeah, them damn republicans are "full of hate," sho nuff. But certainly not no commie-ass Bernie supporter, eh?

Nice that he had the support of his MSM newspaper to help promulgate his message, on top of facebook, eh?
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layman
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 08:35 pm
Quote:
Make no mistake - the man who pulled the trigger bears the responsibility for the bloodshed.

But we would be foolish if we did not address the festering anti-Trump cancer that has infected the left.

What about the D-list comedian who beheaded the president or the taxpayer-funded production called, "Killing Republicans" or the Shakespearean drama where Caesar was depicted as President Trump?

What about the high school teacher who made a bet on whether the president would be assassinated or the one who pretended to execute the president inside her classroom?

Or how about the professor who said Republicans must be executed and the president must hang? Or the other professor who said House Republicans should be lined up and shot?

On Wednesday - those professors nearly got their wish - when a baseball field came perilously close to becoming a killing field.


http://www.toddstarnes.com/column/remember-the-professor-who-said-republicans-should-be-executed
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giujohn
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:04 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

farmerman wrote:
what happened today is an outgrowth of extreme obsessions in our political beliefs. He was sorta a "we hqve to outlaw the GOP " type.

There is no justification for outlawing the GOP since they are not committing horrible abuses like the Democrats are.

There is no comparison between "Democrats murdering people" and "someone proposing that the Democratic Party be outlawed in order to stop them from murdering people".


farmerman wrote:
From whatever side that kind of insane obsession comes, it needs to be reigned IN by us all.

We rein in the abuses of the Democratic Party by outlawing them.


Realistically it will never happen. And the biggest problem is not so much the Dem. Party as it is their mouthpiece, the MSM.

What should be outlawed is yellow journalism. What should be a crime is the publishment of classified information. They should at the very least be charged with receiving stolen property or at best treason.

If the information is classified the public has no right to know
wmwcjr
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:09 pm
@camlok,
I wish I could answer your question, but I have no idea.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:25 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:
Realistically it will never happen.

Great ideas often seem impossible to achieve when first examined.


giujohn wrote:
And the biggest problem is not so much the Dem. Party as it is their mouthpiece, the MSM.

What should be outlawed is yellow journalism. What should be a crime is the publishment of classified information. They should at the very least be charged with receiving stolen property or at best treason.

If the information is classified the public has no right to know

I'd be all for such laws. We'd have to be careful to preserve Freedom of Speech of course. But that could probably be done.

The Republicans are going to have to do something to put a stop to this madness. They simply cannot allow the Democrats to continue this behavior.
layman
 
  -1  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:30 pm
@oralloy,
I say counter-attack. The dope (the MSM) has been roped for 7 rounds now. They're out of bullets. Time to indict Clinton and Lynch and let them spend all their efforts explaining how innocent those two are before they go down for the count, ya know?

After those two do the perp walk in orange jumpsuits, and the MSM has lost all credibility with even their most ardent supporters, their owners will have just two choices:

1. Close it all down and go out of busines, or (maybe)
2. Wise up and start giving their readers/listeners the unbiased truth for a change.
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layman
 
  -2  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:39 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

What should be outlawed is yellow journalism. What should be a crime is the publishment of classified information.


It IS a federal crime to "publish" classified info, eh, John? I have posted the statute, verbatim, here before (seems like maybe you have too).

It, like existing immigration law, is already on the books, but, like immigration law, it has never been enforced.

Trump just needs to enforce existing law. He doesn't need new legislation.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:41 pm
@layman,
At least in public settings I've heard Democrats agree that the leaking has gotten way out of hand, but I doubt they want it to go away while Trump is president.

At some point there is bound to be a very serious consequence from one of these leaks that will be directly attributable to the leak. I hope it doesn't involve anyone dying but it could.

We already have a situation where our allies are rightly concerned about sharing intelligence with us. Look at the leaking to the US press, by someone in US law enforcement, of details about the UK investigation into the Manchester bombing. No one can argue that such a leak in any way benefited the American people (not that that is ever a legitimate reason to criminally leak classified information as has been argued in other cases), and so the motivation of the contemptible jackass(es) who was responsible had to be something either banal ( a desire to curry favor with the media) or venal (e.g. cash).

The Trump Administration can't rely on the media to police themselves on this. It's reached a point where it's not too far beyond the realm of possibility that if some miscreant leaked the US nuclear launch codes, the NY Times would print them in the morning edition. They also, apparently, can't rely on appeals to patriotism or even threats of prosecution. You're absolutely right that a much greater effort needs to be made to find these criminals and prosecute them to the full extent of the law. The leaks are being made with obvious impunity.

Comey follows his public testimony with further testimony behind closed doors and details of that testimony are leaked. There had to be a finite number of people who heard that testimony and everyone of them, including Democrat and Republican Senators, should be compelled to submit to a lie detector test. It may not provide sufficient evidence to prosecute anyone who fails the test, but perhaps the fact that they failed might be leaked and a little karma will be in play.

A big part of the problem is that, despite any public protestation, it has become a common and virtually acceptable practice for politicians and government officials, including members of presidential Administrations, to leak information for political purposes that cast them in a favorable light. This is no different at all from leaks intended to harm political enemies and has to be stopped. Trump can't very well make a righteous cause of stopping leaking if members of his Administration are doing so to enhance his political positions. Everyone in DC will agree that the leaks have become outrageous and are harmful...except those that serve their political ends.

It's a huge element of the DC political swamp that has to be drained. No one can be immune from consequences. These bastards don't own this information; it's not theirs to disseminate as they see fit, and certainly not to benefit their political agendas and ambitions. The American people own the information and they are the ones, not fat cat politicos in DC, who are most likely to suffer if a serious national security leak results in harm to the nation.

Congress could help put a stop to it by passing tougher laws, but they won't, and public figures and everyday citizens have got to stop romanticizing these assholes as some sort of whistle blowing civic heroes.

Reality Leigh Winner the 25 year old employee of a government contractor who has been charged with leaking classified information to a news outlet has been lauded as a patriot by many. The idiot Rosie O'Donnell dontated $1,000 to the Go Fund Me account established to help pay for Winner's defense.

After she was arrested it was discovered that since Trump was elected she had been posting to Facebook and Twitter statements like

Trump is a "a soulless ginger orangutan," and "the most dangerous entry to this country was the orange fascist we let into the White House”

According to prosecutors it was discovered that Winner had been ..."coaching family members via jailhouse phone calls how to manipulate investigators and the press... Her plan, they said, is to portray herself as some sort of scared, doe-eyed neophyte."

WSB-TV in Atlanta reported:

"[Prosecutors] said in recorded jailhouse calls, she told her mother how to play her side of the story in the media— as someone who was scared she'd disappear from an interrogation room in her Augusta home after Saturday's raid."

"Prosecutors said a phone call to her sister expressed Winner's confidence in how to play the court during her bond hearing.
"I'm pretty, white and cute," she allegedly told her sister. Prosecutors said Winner told her sister she would braid her hair and cry in court."


Judge Brian Epps who denied her request for bail expressed concern over her apparent fascination with the Middle East and Islamic terrorism, based on information found when investigators searched her house. Prosecutor Jennifer Solari told the court that investigators seized a notebook from Winner's house and in it, Winner made references about traveling to the Middle East and wrote, "I want to burn the White House down ... find somewhere in Kurdistan to live. Haha."

Her computer apparently revealed repeated visits to Islamist websites.

To be fair, Solari also told the judge that the government was not trying to connect Winner to terrorism or suggesting that she had become a jihadi, it's not a crime to post obscenity laden attacks against Trump on social media, and her reference to wanting to burn down the White House may not have been anymore serious than nitwit Madonna's same expressed desire. It's also not a crime to encourage your family to attempt to manipulate the MSM in the hope of securing an outcome similar to that of Chelsea Manning's, but it certainly is a sign of her stupidity: It's common knowledge that inmate calls are monitored by prison officials, but then she caught because of her stupidity too.

Put all these things together though and it doesn't quite paint a picture of a heroic young patriot who only wanted to expose the abuses of our government. Instead it paints the picture of a very stupid and venal young woman who saw an opportunity to somehow injure a POTUS that she obviously detested, and in a fit of nasty pique took it.

Most importantly, regardless of what picture one accepts as the actual Reality Leigh Winner, she is charged with a criminal offense, and by the looks of it the government has her cold. If convicted she will face a maximum sentence of 10 years which we can only hope she will receive and serve before some fool of a liberal president pardons her because she is pretty, white and cute and has suffered enough.




layman
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 09:47 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
What a fuckin skank, eh?

Cheese-eaters would, of course, gobble up the kinda slop she's trying to offer up like it was limburger cheese, without question. Too bad she wasn't trying to play a liberal judge. He woulda done been played and she would be out on light bail, with a dismissal soon to follow.
layman
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 10:02 pm
@layman,
Did somebody mention Rosie O'Donnell?

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layman
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 10:13 pm
Here's an interesting video where Bill O'Reilly is pleading with Trump to be more intellectual and reserved rather than gutter-fighting with O'Donnell. No go, with Trump. Trump explains a lot about the way he thinks in this vid.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Wed 14 Jun, 2017 10:16 pm
@layman,
It could still work with the MSM fools.

If you read the stories published by them right after her arrest you'll find they all lead with her service in the Air Force, her parents immovable faith in her goodness, her academic achievements and her diminutive size.

The best was the NPR article where the lead sentence is

Quote:
A few days ago, based on her apparent Instagram account, Reality Winner was prepping vegan meals and thinking about her weightlifting goals.


The little sweetheart. She's a vegan! Well that has to mean she's innocent of any crime. Vegans don't do bad things. And this tiny little thing had weightlifting goals? Committed to fitness! Such people can't be bad.

As I've noted elsewhere they all were quite certain to make sure their readers understood that it is only alleged that she committed a crime.

Quote:
Winner, who was working in the Georgia office of contractor Pluribus International, allegedly printed out a top-secret document last month and mailed it to an online news outlet, which was not named in court documents.


The assertions of unnamed officials familiar with the matter are reported as if they are factual with the word "allegation" rarely if ever used, but we have to make sure we understand that the government's pretty much open and shut case against Reality Winner, the diminutive, vegan weightlifter, at this point, is merely an allegation.
 

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