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@tony5732,

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OK. If mainstream media was so truthful they wouldn't have been so stunned, or at least acted so stunned about Trump winning the election.

Nothing to do with truthfulness of media. All polling including independent and conservative based (ie Fox) had Clinton leading. Almost every conservative publication presumed a Clinton victory. The problem was
polling techniques.

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The mainstream media IS biased, and mostly owned and controlled by the same very small group of people.

And who are that very small group?

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@blatham,

It certainly reveals one who is given to speaking unnecessarily. The qualities to which you refer may well be present in all this as well.

I recognize the swagger to which you refer is not in fashion now in the PC world we inhabit. However there are far worse things like, "If you like your doctor you can keep him", or to the families of those killed in Bengazi " We're going to prosecute the man who made that terrible video that caused all of this (after ignoring repeated, almost daily, requests for more security and e mailing the Egyptian foreign minister confirming that it was an organized al Qaeda attack. These statements were lies offered to achieve personal or political gain and to coverup serious malfesence in office.

The swagger to which you refer may also hide a certain logic. The value the Chinese got in seizing the underwater drone is in learning the technology and our surveillance capabilities: the drone itself isn't very important. It hasn't happened yet, but if in office Trump does chalenge these Chinese afftonts he will have acconmplished something very important that the feckless Hamlet curreently in the White House never did.

Your exaggerated reaction may be yet another example of the largely mindless & vacuous PC values that infest our world. Potential for the discussion we didnt have.

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@georgeob1,

You ought to focus on what the communications director wrote. Truthful representation of reality? Or a lie?

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Lower threshold for confirmation

Most of Obama's nominees had to surpass a 60-vote threshold, which didn't pose much of a hurdle - none of his Cabinet nominees were blocked by Republicans.

Of his major appointees, only Richard Cordray, who was picked to head the controversial Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, needed the so-called nuclear option - which lowered the threshold for confirmation from 60 votes to a simple majority - to pass.

Obama had to recess-appoint his controversial choice of Donald Berwick to head the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services in 2010 but that's because the then Democratic chairman of the Finance Committee, former Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), refused to have a hearing on him.

Despite their loud complaining over Trump's Cabinet picks, Democrats acknowledge there's little they can do to stop them.

"At the end of the day we're the ones that changed the rule that allowed presidents to get a cabinet with 51 votes so ultimately - assuming all the Republicans vote for the Cabinet members - other than pointing out flaws, it will be very difficult to defeat any of them," said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.).

She noted that Senate Democrats used a rare procedural tactic known as the nuclear option in November of 2013 to lower the threshold for executive branch nominees from 60 votes to a simple majority.

source

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@blatham,

1. I don't worship fox.
2. Who's polling techniques?
3. http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/these-15-billionaires-own-americas-news-media-companies/#4b10e3ba30b4
These guys own the mainstream media.
4. Not that many establishment conservatives really liked Trump either, people did.

What did Obama say about riot victims?

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@blatham,

Actually not to nitpick, but, 538 was giving Trump more percentage of a chance to win than most and took flak for it. Nate was saying if certain conditions went a certain way in those close swing states (which were closer than most media including conservative media was saying) than Trump had a chance of winning. I guess those conditions were met. (I forget the specifics)

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@revelette1,

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Despite their loud complaining over Trump's Cabinet picks, Democrats acknowledge there's little they can do to stop them.

Yup

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@blatham,

Why that fact paragraph was voted down I have no idea.

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@tony5732,

OK, I want you to slow down and think before your start typing.
The question "whose polling techniques" is answered simply by grasping that all the polling entities I've noted (including Fox) got it wrong. Therefore it would be everyone's polling techniques including Rasmussen, which dependably leans in favor of the GOP.

I know who has vast ownership in media. These are huge corporate entities, they aren't liberals.

"4. Not that many establishment conservatives really liked Trump either, people did."
That's irrelevant to the matter of who they expected to win.

Another instance of your riot question and you're on ignore.

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@revelette1,

Actually I don't either..... voted it up.

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@revelette1,

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538 was giving Trump more percentage of a chance to win than most and took flak for it.

Yup.

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@revelette1,

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Why that fact paragraph was voted down I have no idea.

That's a thing I never concern myself with, rev.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Nothing to do with truthfulness of media. All polling including independent and conservative based (ie Fox) had Clinton leading. Almost every conservative publication presumed a Clinton victory. The problem was
polling techniques.

I think you are largely correct, though I believe there may be more than just "polling technique" at work here. The consistent errors in forecasting, almost across the political spectrum that you noted, suggest a blindness in both the Democrat and Republican establishments to the message and appeal of the new disruptive upstart on the scene. We know that Trump and his key staffers now claim they "knew it all along" That's likely true to some degree (certainly in the final stages of the campaign), but we'll never know the whole truth of it.

I also suspect (don't know) that many Trump supporters likely kept their views to themselves in the face of the mass (PC fed) hysteria detectably present in the campaign. We can see its remnants now among diehards still working to change the electoral college voting which will occur tomorrow. Looking back at my own experiences I note that in several conversations over tthe last few months the Trump supporters were the folks who kept their mouths shut and didn't broadcast their sentiments. To the extent that occurred this could account for some of the persistent divergance observed between the poll results and and voting patterns that you noted. I also suspect that, armed with false confidence, some pollsters might have used smaller than warrented samples - clearly a technique error that I suspect you had in mind..

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@blatham,

You might have thought the paragraph I threw in there about the power grab we democrats did (at the time we thought it was necessary because of obstructionism) with the nuclear option was just thrown in the thread. But I thought it tied in with what you were talking about with NC and the republicans there are hamstringing the newly elected Governor with similar maneuvers. On your link the author said, those republicans might live to regret it. I know we do, or at least should.

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@blatham,

I'm not claiming a side on conservative or liberal on this one, I'm saying mainstream media is biased and was wrong.

That is the relevance of establishment Republicans not caring for Trump either.

My claim is that the media didn't like Trump.

And yes, I want to know the answer to my question, if I'm accountable for the statements I make you can be too. If you don't want to debate fairly feel free to ignore.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

OK, I want you to slow down and think before your start typing.

really?

you think that's an appropriate response to anyone?

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@blatham,

I usually don't if it is something I know is going to go against republicans or the new Trump supporters, but I thought that was such a simple factual informational post...anyway, I was just puzzled.

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LOLGOP ‏@LOLGOP 4m4 minutes ago
Imagine how suspicious Trump would be about Putin if Putin were a black American who were born in Hawaii.

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@ehBeth,

Yes, I do. Or I wouldn't have written it.

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