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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 10:21 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:
You ought to try facts once or twice, oralloy. You might get to like them.

You ought to stop lying. Everything I've said is factual.
McGentrix
 
  -4  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 10:26 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

blatham wrote:
He's right. Podhoretz is definitely not my favorite dude. As it happens, he's the only individual on twitter who has blocked me. We got in a fight about 7 years ago and he obviously holds grudges.

For someone who uses ignore to attack any view that he lacks the wit to argue against, you sure do whine when someone dismisses you as a charlatan.


Does seem something he is particularly proud of.
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Debra Law
 
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Mon 12 Jun, 2017 10:38 pm
Judges Doubt Trump’s Travel-Ban Motives
http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/the-fourth-circuit-examines-trumps-travel-ban-motives

Quote:
The discriminatory genesis of the latest order seemed obvious not only to the plaintiffs but also to the district-court judges who had blocked it in Maryland (which is in the Fourth Circuit) and Hawaii (in the Ninth). It posed a problem for the government because a ban directed specifically at Muslims raised all sorts of constitutional issues—the Establishment Clause, for example. Wall, though, had made the case that the talk of a Muslim ban, along with the rest of Trump’s speeches and tweets, was not something that the judges should look at. Instead, they should confine themselves to examining the text of the order to determine if it was “facially legitimate”—if it was written in the right form, properly cited laws, and offered a plausible rationale, such as fighting terrorism. If it was, then the ban should stand. The court had no right to ask about any prejudicial pretexts. Floyd, for one, wasn’t sure


Thoughts?

blatham
 
  4  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 11:02 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
especially when they presently have a Quisling living at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

The GOP has become the quisling party. It's gotta be exhausting to get yourself to be proud of that.
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layman
 
  -3  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 11:43 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:


As a legal matter, Wall is right. This is especially true in an immigration context, which the constitution, as previously interpreted by the Supreme Court, precludes the courts (by the "separation of powers" doctrine) from meddling in by 'second-guessing" the wisdom of congress and the president. They are only supposed to look within the "four corners" of the document in question when judging the legal validity of an executive order.

Speculation about motives is improper. That's not their job, and is, in fact, one that is beyond their authority.

As the Supreme Court has said:

The Supreme Court wrote:
These aliens...[claim] if any power to deport domiciled aliens exists, it is so dispersed that the judiciary must concur in the grounds for its exercise to the extent of finding them reasonable.

Certainly, however, nothing in the structure of our Government or the text of our Constitution would warrant judicial review by standards which would require us to equate our political judgment with that of Congress....

"It is thoroughly established that Congress has power to order the deportation of aliens whose presence in the country it deems hurtful. The determination by facts that might constitute a crime under local law is not a conviction of crime, nor is the deportation a punishment; it is simply a refusal by the government to harbor persons whom it does not want...

The place to resist unwise or cruel legislation touching aliens is the Congress, not this Court."


https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/342/580/case.html

Get it? The court has no right to overturn even "cruel legislation" as it pertains to aliens.

The commies in this case said that their due process and first amendment rights prevented their deportation just because they were commies. The Court said: "You aint got those rights, boy, cause you aint no citizen."
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 12:38 am
@layman,
More from the Harisiades v. Shaughnessy case:

Quote:
This brings us to the alternative defense under the Due Process Clause -- that, granting the power, it is so unreasonably and harshly exercised by this enactment that it should be held unconstitutional.... This is said to have reached a point where it is the duty of this Court to call a halt upon the political branches of the Government.

We, in our private opinions, need not concur in Congress' policies to hold its enactments constitutional. Judicially, we must tolerate what personally we may regard as a legislative mistake.

We are urged to apply some doctrine of atonement and redemption. Congress might well have done so, but it is not for the judiciary to usurp the function of granting absolution or pardon. We cannot do so for deportable ex-convicts, even though they have served a term of imprisonment calculated to bring about their reformation.It is well settled that deportation, while it may be burdensome and severe for the alien, is not a punishment.

We hold that the Act is not invalid under the Due Process Clause. These aliens are not entitled to judicial relief.


The Constitution empowers Congress (who may delegate some of it's rights to the President) to regulate immigration, NOT the judicial branch. Any non-activist judge would acknowledge the validity of this separation of powers. The wannabe president judges aint gunna prevail in the Supreme Court.

Nice try, cheese-eaters.

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layman
 
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Tue 13 Jun, 2017 01:56 am
More from a legal scholar on immigration

Quote:
The government’s power to exclude and deport aliens has remained largely unlimited in light of the government’s plenary power in the immigration sphere.

Immigration law in the United States historically involved “two types of proceedings in which aliens [could] be denied the hospitality of the United States: deportation hearings and exclusion hearings.” Deportation hearings applied to aliens already within U.S. borders, whereas exclusion hearings dealt with aliens at the border seeking entry.

The Supreme Court fashioned divergent constitutional regimes for removal and for exclusion, using physical presence as the key distinguishing factor: The Court reasoned that aliens already physically present in the United States have a greater stake in their continued presence and thus have the right to challenge the basis for their removal.

The Supreme Court has consistently regarded the Executive’s power as virtually unlimited with respect to the substantive bases upon which removal may be effectuated.

The Supreme Court has held that exclusion at the border is free from due process constraints. The differential treatment stems from the concept that entry into the United States is a privilege, not a right, and therefore, before aliens cross the threshold of the U.S. border, they are completely lacking in entitlement to presence within the United States.


http://www.nyulawreview.org/sites/default/files/pdf/NYULawReview-88-3-Moore.pdf

Starting to get the picture, cheese-eaters? Hint: The Supreme Court aint no candyass, progressive, activist outfit like the nutty ninth circuit court of appeals is. Accordingly they don't undertake to appoint themselves as President by judiical fiat.

"Excluded" aliens aint got nuthin comin to them, notwithstanding what some judge likes, or doesn't like. Your "social justice" bullshit about "open borders" aint, and aint never gunna be, the law of the U.S.

Tough luck.

Nice try, cheese-eaters.
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hightor
 
  4  
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 03:10 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Obstruction of justice is when you try to prevent an investigation from learning the truth.

Bingo.
Quote:
And as President, Trump has every right to have contacts with Russia.

Sure he does. But the pattern of contact between his campaign and Russia — before he was even assured of the nomination — and the fact that the contacts were lied about, repeatedly, naturally raised suspicion, especially given the behavior of Manafort and Flynn and Trump's business deals in the country. The citizens of the USA have every right to expect that our foreign policies are carried out for constructive, beneficial purposes. Hiding potentially embarrassing — or incriminating — information of about the president's business practices or shielding the behavior of his close associates is not a sufficient defense.

So let's learn the truth.
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 03:11 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

What you see in that picture is basically just bad breeding, the predictable results of 1400 years of people marrying and having children with their own cousins. You could go to the worst part of any American city including Democrat cities like Detroit and you would have a hard time finding eight dudes as fucked up looking is that.

Bork Obunga had actually prioritized immigration from Somalia, a place which is 99% Muslim and whose average IQ is 68. That is actually two points below the normal definition of mental retardation. There is no rational or decent motive for bringing people from a place like that into the United States.


And yet you will discover that cheese-eaters dispute this obvious truth, relying on the dictates of the ultimate truth--i.e., that we must have social justice. But not for the rape victims, of course. They don't count; only the worthless rapists do.

Quote:
A gang of Somali refugees have been jailed for their part in the systematic rape and abuse of teenage girls who were failed by police and told their “lifestyle choices” were to blame for their ordeal.

Victims, as young as 14, were given drugs and repeatedly pestered for sex by the men, who were part of a wider gang based in Bristol.

A report into the abuse found that many of the victims had been let down by the police, whose failure to launch an investigation immediately meant the gang were free to abuse the victims for another six months. Victims were blamed by police for their “lifestyle choices” with one girl being told she had “brought it all on herself” after she reported two rapes.


British cops are right at the very top of the cheese-eater pile, eh?
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hightor
 
  6  
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 03:28 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
We need to outlaw the Democratic Party...

Blah, blah, blah...

You need to give this one a rest. Although you trot it out at every opportunity it does nothing to further your argument and only makes you seem intolerant, with fascistic tendencies. Sure, "outlaw" the party — you're still left with the same constituency who retain the same concerns, still share similar values and make up a significant portion of the electorate. Duh...
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layman
 
  -4  
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 04:14 am
Some of them Kraut types are starting to wise up a little, eh?:

Quote:
Austria Bans Islamic Dresses for Women, Mandates 12-Month Integration Course

Austria has passed a controversial law that fines women who wear Islamic dress covering the whole face, and takes away welfare benefits from immigrants who fail to learn the language.

According to the law, women will face a fine of €150 ($168) if they wear Islamic dresses, either the niqab or the burqa, in public places. In addition to the fines, all new migrants coming to Austria to live will now be forced to take a 12-month “integration course” that includes German language lessons if they wish to receive any welfare benefits.

Austria’s attempt to integrate new immigrants has come in response to the migrant crisis rocking most European countries. At least 90,000 migrants, mostly from Muslim-majority countries outside Europe, have arrived to Austria since 2015.


Still weak, of course. Only "new" immigrants!? Why are they getting welfare to begin with? Why were 90,000 deadbeats allowed to mosey on in to begin with?
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MontereyJack
 
  6  
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 04:16 am
@oralloy,
Nonsense, all of it.
hightor
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 04:48 am
We'll finally know the truth when Mr. Trump testifies under oath:
"I would be glad to."
farmerman
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 05:07 am
@hightor,
What th hell was that "north Korean" style endorsothon that we witnessed at yesterday's Cabinet Press Conference. Only Maddis came away with failing to blindly pull the sycophant role like the rest of those toadies??
Does Trump think that people buy that ****?

The cabinet members were all reading from scripts.


edgarblythe
 
  1  
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 05:09 am
Dennis Rodman is headed to N Korea. Neutral
farmerman
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 05:14 am
@edgarblythe,
hes on the job as a CIA operative
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