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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 10:21 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Blatham tries to craft the illusion of being an intellectual by pointing at established leftist intellectuals and saying "I think what they think."


Blatherskite an "intellectual"?????

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layman
 
  -1  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 10:36 pm
Thanks to Comey, according to Gallup, Trump's job approval rating went up by 5 points (34% to 39%) in just 6 days (from June 4 to June 10).

Time to get back to demonizing Comey again, eh, cheese-eaters?
layman
 
  -1  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 10:50 pm
Trump is using Ali's trusty rope-a-dope strategy against the MSM.

He's leaning back into the ropes, absorbing one vicious-looking body blow after another, without really counter-attacking. To many, it looked liked Ali's opponent was winning the fight.

Fraid not. Once the guy was all tuckered out, and had no effective punches left to throw, Ali would take him to the center of the ring and knock his sorry ass plumb the **** OUT!

Last I heard, the poll numbers for media approval were only 14%. That's probably down at least a few points after Comey exposed them even further.

Nice try, cheese-eaters.
gungasnake
 
  -1  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 10:53 pm
@layman,
George Foreman was not being managed properly at that time.
layman
 
  -2  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:13 pm
@gungasnake,
Quote:
George Foreman was not being managed properly at that time.

Ali was his own manager, eh? From wiki:

Quote:
Ali had told his trainer, Angelo Dundee, and his fans that he had a secret plan for Foreman. As the second round commenced, Ali frequently began to lean on the ropes and cover up, letting Foreman punch him on the arms and body (a strategy Ali later dubbed the rope-a-dope). As a result, Foreman spent his energy throwing punches (without earning points) that either did not hit Ali or were deflected in a way that made it difficult for Foreman to hit Ali's head, while sapping Foreman's strength due to the large number of punches he threw. This loss of energy was key to Ali's "rope-a-dope" tactic.

Meanwhile, Ali took every opportunity to shoot straight punches to Foreman's face (which was soon visibly puffy). When the two fighters were locked in clinches, Ali consistently out-wrestled Foreman, using tactics such as leaning on Foreman to make Foreman support Ali's weight, and holding down Foreman's head by pushing on his neck. He constantly taunted Foreman in these clinches, telling him to throw more punches, and an enraged Foreman responded by doing just that.

After several rounds of this, Foreman began to tire. His face became increasingly damaged by hard, fast jabs and crosses by Ali. The effects were visible as Foreman was staggered by an Ali combination at the start of the fourth round, and again several times near the end of the fifth, after Foreman had seemed to dominate that round. Although Foreman kept throwing punches and coming forward, after the fifth round he looked increasingly worn out. Ali continued to taunt him by saying, "They told me you could punch, George!" and "They told me you could punch as hard as Joe Louis." According to Foreman: "I thought he was just one more knockout victim until, about the seventh round, I hit him hard to the jaw and he held me and whispered in my ear: 'That all you got, George?' I realized that this ain't what I thought it was."[8]

As the fight drew into the eighth round, Foreman's punching and defense became ineffective as the strain of throwing so many wild shots had taken its toll. Ali pounced as Foreman tried to pin Ali on the ropes, landing several right hooks over Foreman's jab, followed by a 5-punch combination, culminating in a left hook that brought Foreman's head up into position and a hard right straight to the face that caused Foreman to stumble to the canvas. Foreman did get up at the count of nine, but referee Zack Clayton stopped the bout with two seconds remaining in the round.[2]

The fight showed that Ali was capable of taking a punch and highlighted his tactical genius, changing his fighting style by adopting the rope-a-dope, instead of his former style that emphasized movement to counter his opponent.

gungasnake
 
  -2  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:20 pm
@layman,
I can see you are not much of a fight fan... Mohammed Ali was one of the greatest if not the greatest pure athlete ever to earn his living by boxing and the best way to describe him would be as a sort of a heavyweight version of Willy Pep. Best athlete in boxing, however, is not the same thing as greatest professional prizefighter. Nobody who follows boxing would give Ali any chance in a 15 round fight against Joe Louis, both in their primes. Ali's defensive style was not economical of motion and he never had any kind of a punch with his left hand which he could really hurt anybody with nor any of the kinds of combinations of heavy punches which you see with fighters like Duran, Roy Jones, or Joe Louis. When he came back after the three-year layoff he had lost just the tiniest edge in quickness which had made that defensive style of his work previously, and he began to specialize in getting stomped by small heavyweights (Fraser, Ernie shavers, Leon Spinks...) Getting stomped by small heavyweights is not the hallmark of a great heavyweight champion.
layman
 
  -2  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:26 pm
@gungasnake,
Well, Gunga, ya know, I've always seen fighting about the same way Yogi Berra saw baseball:

Yogi Berra wrote:
Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical


"No mas!"

Ya shouldn't be dissin poor ole Joe Frazier like that. Unlike Duran, he would NEVER say no mas.
layman
 
  -2  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:47 pm
@layman,
Joe Fraizer never let taunts beat him, eh?

gungasnake
 
  -2  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:47 pm
@layman,
You can say whatever you want about the no Mas thing, everybody has an off day once in a while. Real candidates for greatest prizefighter regardless of weight division include Duran and Jones and probably this Khazakhstani kid Golovkin, and one or two fighters from the first half of the last century particularly Sam Langford. Duran's natural weight division was lightweight; he had moved up two weight divisions to take on Ray Leonard in Montréal and Ray Leonard looked like he had been run over by a train the next morning.

That should not of been possible. That was David and Goliath with Goliath at the top of his game at age 23 or something like that and David celebrating his 30th birthday the night before the fight. There is so much talent in lightweights that nobody dominates lightweights for more than a year or two anymore; Durandhad that whole division scared into the woodwork for almost a whole decade until he had to move upwards in weight to get meaningful fights. If it was me, I would've retired from boxing after that fight in Montréal and taken up tennis or golf, that is, try to become immortal by mastering two major sports instead of just one.
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:51 pm
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MontereyJack
 
  6  
Sun 11 Jun, 2017 11:58 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Last I heard, the poll numbers for media approval were only 14%. That's probably down at least a few points after Comey exposed them even further.
Who do you trust more to tell you about important issues

Trump 34%

News media 53%

Quinnipiac U. po;ll, 5/17=23

Last I saw, Comey was ahead in people believing him by something like 20 points. Trump tanked it.


MontereyJack
 
  6  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 12:08 am
@MontereyJack,
Yeo, Comey 46%-26%
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glitterbag
 
  4  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 12:09 am
@blatham,
Wow, I've zipped thru 4 or 5 pages rapidly......that new member 'user ignored' doesn't have a lot to say.
layman
 
  -1  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 12:37 am
@MontereyJack,
Yeah, right, eh?

Quote:
More people trust Trump than media to tell truth

President Trump is more trusted than the news media to tell people the truth, according to a new poll.

The poll, conducted by Morning Consult and published Friday, said that 37 percent of U.S. adults trust Trump "to tell you the truth," as opposed to 29 percent who said they trust the news media.

Another 34 percent said they either didn't know or had no opinion


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/more-people-trust-trump-than-media-to-tell-truth/article/2621561

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Well, to be fair, almost anyone is more trusted than the national political media.

Political reporters launch daily broadsides against President Trump, and are frustrated that they don’t seem to have much impact. I suspect that they still don’t understand how deeply (and justly) unpopular they are with the American people.

Which doesn’t mean that it is helpful to be viciously attacked every day. It obviously isn’t. But when the press is so little trusted, diminishing returns set in pretty quickly.


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/04/trump-is-more-trusted-than-political-media.php

This poll, by the way, was taken much more recently, using a substantially larger sample size (about 50% larger), than the one you cite.
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:47 am
Muhammad Ali getting totally stomped by a small heavyweight:

layman
 
  -2  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 01:54 am
@layman,
I said that Frazier never let taunts beat him, not that they didn't affect him, eh?

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layman
 
  1  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 02:51 am
@gungasnake,
For whatever reason, you seem to badly want to minimize Ali's achievements. After beating Norton in 1976, he retired, as world champ, at age 35.

Unfortunately, like others before him, he nonetheless returned to the ring after that due to financial need. He won the fight against Shavers, but his doctor quit because he told Ali he was not physically fit to fight. Among other things, his kidneys had "fallen apart."

After beating Spinks in their second fight (1979), he once again retired as world champ, now 37 years old. But once again he came out of retirement, against doctor's advice. By the time he fought Holmes in 1980, his last fight at the age of 38, he was already manifesting a stuttering voice and trembling hands.

His last fight was pitiful, but his last few years, fought in poor health at an extremely advanced age (for a boxer), are hardly definitive of his career. Yet you seem to want to treat them as such. Why is that?
layman
 
  -1  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 03:15 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
By the time he fought Holmes in 1980, his last fight at the age of 38, he was already manifesting a stuttering voice and trembling hands.


Again, from wiki:

Quote:
Ali announced his comeback to face Larry Holmes for the WBC belt in an attempt to win the heavyweight championship an unprecedented fourth time. The fight was largely motivated by Ali's need for money. Boxing writer Richie Giachetti said, "Larry didn't want to fight Ali. He knew Ali had nothing left; he knew it would be a horror."

The fight took place on October 2, 1980, in Las Vegas Valley, with Holmes easily dominating Ali, who was weakened from thyroid medication he had taken to lose weight. Giachetti called the fight "awful ... the worst sports event I ever had to cover." Actor Sylvester Stallone at ringside said it was like watching an autopsy on a man who is still alive. The Holmes fight is said to have contributed to Ali's Parkinson's syndrome.


Tragic, really.
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layman
 
  -1  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 05:04 am
Hillary was right! The election was rigged:

Quote:
A dozen employees of an organization tied to former Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and President Bill Clinton were charged with filing fake voter registration forms. They are accused of submitting "an unknown number" of falsified or fraudulent voter registration applications prior to the 2016 election.

The Indiana Voter Registration Project's effort to register primarily black voters was overseen by Patriot Majority USA, which has ties to the Democratic Party, including Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and former President Bill Clinton.

The incident began unraveling after an Indianapolis-area clerk found about a dozen forms to be "suspicious."

The investigation soon spread to 56 counties, where the Democratic Party-aligned group collected about 45,000 applications for the presidential election.

The investigation found workers had submitted bogus applications on behalf of nonexistent residents, submitted new applications for people who were already registered, and at least one application was submitted on behalf of a minor.

The probable cause affidavit says supervisors told canvassers "to obtain their quota by any means necessary." A search warrant unsealed on Nov. 14 says some workers admitted to falsifying registrations, saying they faced the possibility of losing their temporary job if they didn't register at least 10 new voters a day.

The search warrant indicates that Patriot Majority submitted several hundred voter registration applications that included false, incomplete or fraudulent information. The warrant's contents allowed State Police to raid the Indianapolis offices of Patriot Majority USA in October.

The twelve suspects face up to two-and-a-half years in prison if convicted.


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/indiana/articles/2017-06-09/canvassers-charged-in-fake-fraudulent-voter-registrations

Nice try, cheese-eaters but Trump won Indiana anyway. Tough luck, eh? Next time you'll need to get another 500,000+ fake voters.
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gungasnake
 
  -1  
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 05:14 am
@layman,
The problem was he was carrying that black muslim movement on his back financially and they kept him in it way past the point at which he clearly needed to quit.
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