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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
glitterbag
 
  4  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 09:30 pm
@tony5732,
tony5732 wrote:

He's kinda right. I mean, I AM here to contest liberal ideas. I would love to hear some, so I could contest them.


You want to contest liberal ideas???? Do you honestly think that conservatives and progressives can't agree on anything??? I loved my parents, do you want to contest that? I love my children, please tell me why that's not true, can't wait to hear your wizard analysis. I've never been arrested, I vote in every election, I pay my taxes and my bills......unlike some people you admire.....its shameful isn't it. I've served on a jury, got a speeding ticket when I was 27 for doing 35 mph in a 25 mph driving thru Ft. George G. Meade on my way to work.

Did I just express a conservative or liberal outlook? You don't know because your mind is not open enough to accept that everything isn't black/white, right/wrong.

The OP started this thread to share and asked others to share articles he or they thought would be of interest. Right now it appears that you are just dogging Blatham hoping to catch him in an illogical statement. You may disagree with him, but you aren't offering anything substantive, just repeating Fox News slogans and congratulating yourself for belonging with the 'superiors'. I will give you this, you are nowhere near as tiresome as georgeob with his shtick, at least you express yourself and your motives are clear.
tony5732
 
  1  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 09:34 pm
@Blickers,
We went over this earlier, but Obama had a 7.6% unemployment rate going in, and it didn't go under 7% until the house and Senate were no longer Democrat in 2014.

When it was Obama and the Democrats running the show, unemployment actually went up to 10% and stayed between 9-10% until 2012

http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/national-employment-monthly-update.aspx

Blickers
 
  2  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 09:43 pm
@giujohn,
Quote giujohn:
Quote:
And the sub prime lending that caused the resession during bush 43 was Bill's fault...So he givth and he taketh away...No fault of bush.
Wrong again. The Community Reinvestment Act amended under Bill Clinton that you blame for the recession did not cause the problems, as the Federal Reserve report pointed out.
Quote the Federal Reserve Board:
Quote:
Did the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) contribute to foreclosures and the financial crisis? And, is the CRA being reformed?

The Federal Reserve Board has found no connection between CRA and the subprime mortgage problems. In fact, the Board's analysis (102 KB PDF) found that nearly 60 percent of higher-priced loans went to middle- or higher-income borrowers or neighborhoods, which are not the focus of CRA activity. Additionally, about 20 percent of the higher-priced loans that were extended in low- or moderate-income areas, or to low- or moderate-income borrowers, were loans originated by lenders not covered by the CRA. Our analysis found that only six percent of all higher-priced loans were made by CRA-covered lenders to borrowers and neighborhoods targeted by the CRA.

Federal Reserve Board Report

The Community Reinvestment Act was wrongly targeted by conservatives because they did not want to admit that the subprime lending crisis was caused by non-CRA lenders like Countrywide, (the largest subprime mortgage lender), which simply refused to do their legal due diligence in screening loan applicants. Countrywide and other non-CRA lenders abused the system to the point where some loans were sent in as bad two weeks before the first payment was even due. But since the Community Reinvestment Act remedied "redlining" by lending institutions against minorities, the conservatives targeted it and ignored the real problem which caused market to crash. And the anti-minority accusations are repeated to this day by Russian/conservative posters.

giujohn
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2016 09:45 pm
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giujohn
 
  2  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 09:47 pm
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Blickers
 
  2  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 09:48 pm
@giujohn,
Doesn't take you long to abandon your pretensions to superior knowledge. Any rational response to my debunking of your conservative talking points? How about the fact that only six percent of the subprime loans that failed were Community Reinvestment Act loans that you try to blame for the financial crisis?
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 09:49 pm
@tony5732,
Democrats get credit for a better economy, but it might just be luck such as the price of oil which no president has any control. The cost of energy makes a big difference to any economy.
tony5732
 
  0  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Which is why Trump is trying to make energy cheaper. Probably why he picked Rex Tillerson, CEO of an oil and gas corporation called ExxonMobil, to be the Secretary of State.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:04 pm
@tony5732,
How can Tillerson affect the price of oil?
giujohn
 
  1  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:16 pm
@Blickers,

An Expression of the American Mind

Democrat’s $1 Trillion Mess
Posted by Lucky Jack

So, who’s to blame for the current mortgage mess? If you believe the current media narrative, capitalism itself is to blame. Not content to blame just the GOP or Bush, Democrats are going after the big prize – the conservative ideology that advocates free markets.

Progressive socialists like Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders are absolutely giddy about this crisis. This affords them the perfect opportunity to shove the word FAILURE in the face of any conservative that ever advocated for de-regulation, including John McCain.

Here’s Obama declaring this mess is the "Final Verdict" free markets failed:

(Update 4/8/10: The video of Obama’s campaign speech where he declares that the financial crisis, that he and Democrats caused, was actually the “Final Verdict” that “free markets have failed”, has “been removed for terms of use violation” I’ve searched YouTube and cannot find another tape of that speech – why? Could it be because it supports the growing & damaging narrative that Obama is an anti-free market socialist? I don’t believe in conspiracy theories but this is the third time a key video of Obama’s has gone missing.)

Just a month ago, Democrats were worried that American voters might be souring on their Progressive/socialist agenda like the French and Germans did when they recently elected pro-U.S., pro-market leaders like Sarkozy and Merkel, respectively. U.S. voters were beginning to blame Democrats for the struggling economy when they saw Democrats clinging to their extreme environmentalism and denying even a vote on lifting the ban on offshore drilling.

This anti-democratic posture by Democrats helped the GOP blame Democrats for the bad economy.

What a difference a month makes.

Now, capitalism itself is on trial and it’s losing badly. I will stand up and defend free markets and, using the Audacity of Reason, remind voters of the facts:

In 1977, Democrat President Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). This act forced banks to "provide credit, including home ownership opportunities to under-served populations".
In 1993, Democrat Bill Clinton asked his Treasury Secretary to come up with reforms to increase the expand the CRA.
In 1997, Democrat Bill Clinton increased the market share of these CRA loans from almost zero to almost 15%. Fannie’s and Freddie’s combined portfolios went from about $200 billion to over $1 trillion during Clinton’s term in office – a five fold increase.
In 2005, Bush attempted to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (GSEs) but he was rejected along party lines despite warnings by Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.
I urge everyone to read all of Chairman Greenspan’s Senate testimony on April 6, 2005, but I’ll include his prescient conclusion below:

"Without restrictions on the size of GSE balance sheets, we put at risk our ability to preserve safe and sound financial markets in the United States, a key ingredient of support for homeownership."

Still, Bush was President. Why didn’t he do more? Let me explain.

Bush’s #1 priority, after 9/11, was keeping U.S. safe. Because Democrats chose to undermine the War on Terror and the Iraq War, Bush had to sacrifice other priorities to win support from Democrats to get national security legislation passed and keep us safe. Had Democrats chose to support the President on national security matters, as was the custom in years past, we would have had real changes at Fannie and Freddie to limit the risk to our overall economy.

Why did Clinton, back in 1993, seek to force banks to lend to people that our banks would not have otherwise lent money to? Here’s how Clinton’s Comptroller, Gene Ludwig, described how the Clinton team decided to "reform the CRA":

"Before we made a single decision on proposing reform, we…walked through South Central Los Angeles, in a predominantly minority neighborhood in New York City….we talked with representatives of the Navajo Nation; to bankers, large and small banks, inclusive; to poor people in rural North Carolina and elsewhere. (What) we saw and what we heard shaped this reform package."

How did Clinton seek to enforce compliance? In 1993, Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen explains:

"In a nutshell, what we’re proposing to do is to make it easier for lenders to show how they’re complying with the Community Reinvestment Act. …the changes we’re proposing are important because banks now have a very clear, quantitative standard by which their compliance can be judged. And that is very important to banks when it comes to ask regulators to approve mergers, new branches and the like."

Under Bill Clinton and his Democratic Congress, the CRA was reborn and inserted into the very fabric of our financial markets. Yes, some institutions were happy to make money doing CRA loans but they would not have made them if the Clinton Administration hadn’t forced them to in order to get new branches and mergers approved. We know this because before Clinton, CRA loans were almost non-existent.

A $1 trillion mistake by the Democrats has finally come home to roost.

Now, there is a $700 billion plan to bailout financial institutions that are having a hard time pricing all the bad CRA mortgage-related assets on their balance sheets. It could cost a $1 trillion or more. Whatever the cost, it’s not a failure of free markets or capitalism – it is a failure of the "mixed economy" that Ayn Rand warned about 40 years ago.

It is the socialist ideology that Democrats want to shove down your throat with stealth and guilt all wrapped up in the purposely ambiguous euphemism "Change We Need".

Yes, substandard lending had some GOP support along the way but make no mistake – it would have never have happened if Democrats didn’t push for it. Conservatives advocate smaller government and merit-based financial decisions. Liberals advocate more government and financial decisions based on "fairly spreading the wealth". For 12 years, during Reagan and Bush 41, the CRA was meaningless. During 8 years of Clinton, CRA-related sub-prime mortgages increased five-fold.

If the banks and Wall Street were so greedy, why didn’t they pursue substandard lending before Clinton?

Because it did not make business sense – they would have lost money. Only after the Clinton Administration "made it easier" to prove compliance with the CRA and back up the loans with implicit guarantees from Fannie and Freddie, did private banks jump on board. Banks were asked to demonstrate they were doing "their share" of substandard lending to minorities or else the feds would not approve mergers or new branches.

Of course, it was a mistake to package these loans into financial instruments traded around the world but can you really blame a German or Japanese bank for buying a product that had the allure of "U.S. Mortgage Obligations"? It probably never occurred to the German banker to ask if some of the mortgages were made without verification of income???

Congress did everything it could to grow Fannie, Freddie and CRA loans. This was a whopper of a mistake. A $1 trillion mistake by Clinton and the Democrats. The question is will the public hold them accountable or believe Obama’s propaganda that evil-unregulated-free-markets is to blame for this mess?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:18 pm
@giujohn,
If you blame capitalism, what is the solution?
giujohn
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:18 pm
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Mercy!
tony5732
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I don't know if he can... but common sense tells me that if this guy is in charge of the largest publicly traded oil and gas company, he might at least have some understanding on how it works and how to help energy costs.
giujohn
 
  1  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:20 pm
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giujohn
 
  0  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:29 pm
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Is he gone yet?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:33 pm
@tony5732,
I'm more than sure he understands how it works, but oil is traded on the commodities market. It's based on sentiment and speculation. Airlines play the oil market all the time.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2015/01/fuel-hedging-and-airlines

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giujohn
 
  1  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 10:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Who said capitalism's to blame...It's always liberal Democrats.
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Debra Law
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2016 11:02 pm
@tony5732,
tony5732 wrote:

Which is why Trump is trying to make energy cheaper. Probably why he picked Rex Tillerson, CEO of an oil and gas corporation called ExxonMobil, to be the Secretary of State.


Oil company executives don't want cheap oil and they don't want competition from other forms of energy.
roger
 
  4  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 11:05 pm
@Debra Law,
In any event, those oil executives might have lots of knowledge, I might wonder about their motivations.

ETA I guess that's just what you said.
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reasoning logic
 
  0  
Sat 17 Dec, 2016 11:13 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra What is your view about interstate crosscheck?

 

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