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layman
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:38 pm
@camlok,
Quote:
He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.


Yeah, right, eh, Cambo?

Quote:
Bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11 Posted: Oct 29, 2004

Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/bin-laden-claims-responsibility-for-9-11-1.513654

At the time (2001), Bin Ladin was known to have said, among other things, that even he, with his background in construction, didn't expect the WTC towers to come crumbling down when the attack was planned. Of course he was giddy with glee when he watched it happen.

Give it a rest, punk.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:40 pm
@izzythepush,
So izzy, are you saying the UK didn't welcome Muslim immigrants with open arms and adopt a policy of tolerance and cultural respect?

I actually love London and Londoners and couldn't care less about who they want for their mayor. If I were to have any problems with Khan, it would be his politics not his religion, but froth on izzy, froth on.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:42 pm
@maporsche,
Well then you are an exception among your kind.

Yes I do agree...to some extent.

There is a point where the failure of the opposition harms the nation.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:47 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You used the term appeasement, it was deliberate. Don't try to weasel out now, if you did care about London you wouldn't have deliberately chosen such a loaded term.

I don't believe a word of it, you're wearing a mask but it keeps slipping, at least the likes of Oralloy and Gungasnake are honest about what they are.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:51 pm
@izzythepush,
You're absolutely right and I stand by it.

Many of the people I love have made mistakes. It doesn't mean I don't still love them.


maporsche
 
  3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:53 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Well then you are an exception among your kind.

Yes I do agree...to some extent.

There is a point where the failure of the opposition harms the nation.


Not sure I fully understand what you mean by failure of the opposition.

Failure to provide a counter balance to the other party?
Failure in the sense that full-opposition causes gridlock in the congress?

I wish our congress worked in a way where compromise wasn't viewed as such a negative thing.
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:55 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Once again:

Winston Churchill wrote:
An appeaser is someone who feeds a crocodile [with others] with the hope that he will be eaten last.


The crocodile who was coddled in England has decided that scarfing up others aint all that satisfying and is lookin to chow down on it's friendly accomplices. Who could possibly have guessed, eh?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -4  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 12:57 pm
@layman,
Well this will surely throw izzy into a tizzy

You've used Churchill and appeasement in the same post!
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layman
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 01:16 pm
@layman,
I'll give Chomsky credit when credit is due. He did say one honest and accurate thing once, to wit:

Noam Chomsky wrote:
“I was always on the side of the losers.”
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layman
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 01:45 pm
@layman,
Quote:
In the 18-minute message, parts of which were played on Qatar-based Al-Jazeera, Bin Ladin said militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."

He also threatened new attacks if the policies of the U.S. government do not change.


But, whatever you do, don't EVER, in any shape or form, disrespect Bin Ladin in England. If that happens, 10 cops and a helicopter will be promptly dispatched to incarcerate your ass, ya know?
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 01:51 pm
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5X0fwIBJYpk/V13OZ5SLErI/AAAAAAAAEfw/mqy8YN1O3iM_IKLNmsWVZmMgVCxSZaTQACKgB/s1600/3.jpg
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camlok
 
  0  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 01:52 pm
@layman,
Are you calling the FBI liars, layman?

Are you that ignorant that you believe that phony video was OBL?

No need to answer, I know you believe the wildest, most cockamamie propaganda put out by your government. In this you are no different from the vast majority of Americans, and some woefully gullible Brits, Canucks, Aussies, ... .
layman
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 01:54 pm
@camlok,
The FBI, like all Americans, never had any intention of "prosecuting" Bin Laden. They were determined to cap his sorry ass on sight, that's all.

That death warrant was eventually executed, notwithstanding Obama's objections to it.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 01:59 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
I personally only care about hurting Trump with this issue. I think some on the left, maybe a majority, care about Russia. I don't see why even more couldn't care about both Russia and want to hurt Trump at the same time.

They all focused exclusively on wanting to harm Trump. They don't care about Russia.


maporsche wrote:
Hurting your opposition is what politics is all about. You don't get pissed when Republicans do it, why are you so pissed when Democrats do it?

There are certain methods that are way out of bounds. Digging through someone's history in a political witch hunt for example. Or worse, getting an innocent person convicted of a crime.

Democrats don't recognize these boundaries and go way over the line repeatedly.

In the rare cases when the Republicans go way over the line like that, it is only an act of revenge (or perhaps self defense) after repeated incidents of the Democrats doing it to the Republicans first.


maporsche wrote:
I really think you have a cognitive disconnect where you see the Republicans actions as all good and the Democrats actions as all evil.

There is no equivalence between someone who goes way over the line because they think they are above the law, and someone who crosses the line in order to defend themselves from someone who thinks they are above the law.


maporsche wrote:
I think I see calls for an independent investigation.

Only now after they got a special prosecutor. Until they got the special prosecutor appointed, all they ever called for was a special prosecutor.


maporsche wrote:
The Republican appointed deputy attorney general appointed a special prosecutor. No way you can push that on the Democrats. Trumps guy did it.

The Democrats were the ones who created the partisan atmosphere and accusations of wrongdoing, and the Democrats were the ones who repeatedly and endlessly called for a special prosecutor.

I can indeed blame the Democrats for this special prosecutor being appointed.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 02:02 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
If I may attempt:

I think his/her (camlok) point is, most of us just plain don't want to get bogged down into US international war crimes or aggression discussions. He/she probably knows if he/she devoted a thread to it, it would die out from lack of discussion. Not sure why, there are a lot of people who seem to agree with him/her on the subject of the US war crimes/aggression.

It would die out because the facts show very clearly that the US are not doing anything wrong.

If anyone is delusional enough to agree with JTT, their delusions won't prevent the facts from making short work of any discussion of the matter.


revelette1 wrote:
In terms of comparison, the US is a relative newer nation. If you look at the beginnings of other nations, they were probably just as aggressive too. I read a lot of medieval novels and if the histories are correct on most of them, all the European countries were pretty aggressive in those days.

The US is not aggressive.


revelette1 wrote:
I also see his point about the US mixing ourselves up with the ME all the time and interfering with those countries.

You mean where we cooperate with legitimate governments to help them defend themselves from those who seek to harm them?

What is wrong with that?
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snood
 
  3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 02:06 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Finn hates London because it elected a Muslim mayor and its educated population can see Trump for the slobbering piece of **** he is.

Here, here!! Author!Author!
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 02:11 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Quote:
Finn hates London because it elected a Muslim mayor and its educated population can see Trump for the slobbering piece of **** he is.

Here, here!! Author!Author!


Just for the record, it's "hear, hear,' not "here, here."

Also, just for the record, you and Dizzy are plumb fulla ****, eh?
revelette1
 
  4  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 02:19 pm
@giujohn,
Pretty sure she was hired in February of this year and had top clearance during that time. Furthermore, having views which are different from the present administration is not treasonous. Giving classified information is against the law and they were right to arrest her for it.
revelette1
 
  5  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 02:26 pm
For a president with nothing to hide, he is going to a lot of trouble, first he is giving a speech during Comey's trial which will knock off a good deal of coverage and he is dining with two senators who will questioning Comey.

Trump To Dine With Two Senators Who Will Question Comey (Daily Caller)

President Trump Will Give a Speech While James Comey Testifies Before Congress (Time Magazine
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 6 Jun, 2017 02:27 pm
How Donald Trump shifted kids-cancer charity money into his business: http://on.forbes.com/60198lKSP
 

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