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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
maporsche
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 02:39 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

maporsche wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Not surprised at all by your take.

Everything he does is sinister...right?

If he really has something to hide and he thinks Comey could reveal it, he wouldn't worry about court challenges down the line.


You presented your option like there was only one possible take.

Whether or not Comey has anything damaging to reveal, we'll find out on Thursday. Why speculate now?


No I opined that the decision wasn't in keeping with someone who has something to hide. For whatever your reasons you've decided it's important to offer a counter-intuitive explanation, and speculate on it's design.

I'm not speculating about anything but you certainly are...in the cause of challenging my very favorable assumption of course Rolling Eyes


Counter-intuitive? Funny stuff from you today.

But, even if it were counter-intuitive, that would not automatically mean it was incorrect, would it?
roger
 
  2  
Mon 5 Jun, 2017 02:39 pm
@snood,
Alright, I couldn't help liking that. Especially the new end to a very old joke.
snood
 
  2  
Mon 5 Jun, 2017 02:43 pm
@roger,
Yeah, me too. Came across it on Facebook and couldn't help but share it here.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 02:45 pm
@maporsche,
"My premise" is that his decision was not in keeping with someone who has something to hide. No more; no less. Obviously it might not be the case, but if you took Trump out of the equation and substituted Obama, you would agree.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 02:49 pm
@maporsche,
Thinking that someone who is trying to obstruct an investigation would allow a key figure to testify when he could prevent same is counter-intuitive. You find this funny? Very strange.

Sometimes counter-intuitive notions are correct and this may be one of them but you are advancing a real nit picking argument.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 02:50 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Of course it was, he's a Muslim. It was directed at all Muslims and Sadiq Khan was duty bound to speak against it, not just as a Muslim but as mayor of London.

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snood
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 02:53 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
What is your opinion about whether or not Trump is hiding something ?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 03:00 pm
@snood,
I don't know.

I tend to think he is not, but I'm not certain.

The important thing (to me at least) is that if he is hiding something and it is serious, that it be found out ASAP.

To that end, not playing around with Executive Privilege to stop Comey from testifying was an encouraging sign (not withstanding contrarian, counter-intuitive arguments)
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revelette1
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 03:16 pm
Regardless of what Trump's decision not to attempt to block Comey's testimony may or may not indicate, I am glad Comey is going to testify. I hope he is asked about the memos in detail. I want to know if Trump sought to have Comey let the Flynn investigation go. Watching it would probably be excruciating, so I am not sure I will. Rather just catch up online I think.
oralloy
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 04:01 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
gotta love that #45's tweets are likely (per ACLU report) going to be used as testimony against the attempted bans

he and his sons don't seem to get that tweets can be used as evidence

Evidence of what? The Left seems to have this weird idea that calling this a Muslim ban somehow overrules the reality that it is not a Muslims ban.

We'll see what the Supreme Court has to say, but I can't see them giving much credence to such a silly argument.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 04:04 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Regardless of what Trump's decision not to attempt to block Comey's testimony may or may not indicate, I am glad Comey is going to testify.


Me too, the nation needs to get this thing resolved one way or the other as soon as possible
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blatham
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 06:01 pm
Well well well. A big freaking Bravo to the SC.
Quote:
Supreme Court Affirms Ruling Striking Down NC Legislative Districts
TPM
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Mon 5 Jun, 2017 06:24 pm
@blatham,
How did the individual justices vote. Interesting that this article makes no mention of this.
blatham
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 06:58 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Thanks for taking the time and effort. My list would be somewhat different. Hoover and Taft wouldn't be included (that's an older version of conservatism). Goldwater, certainly, and Reagan (as a leader much more than as an ideologue). Strauss is something of a unique offshoot but one who ended up being influential with neoconservativism as realized under Bush 2. Hayek and Friedman also very influential as regards economic theory (I have georgeob in the Hayek camp). Then there's Buckley and he is an undeniable figure here (a little anecdote - in one of Woody Allen's early films, his character was covertly looking at the low-class porn magazines hanging side by side in a NY corner store. The camera panned across the magazine covers - "Humongous Knockers", "Swedish Slutz", "Juggs", "National Review", "Asian Babes")

But there are other key figures in this story. Robert Welch (John Birch) is certainly one even if we'd assumed his influence was merely historical. The Koch brothers (their dad was a central figure with Welch) are the modern version of this movement (though the earlier Birchers were serious anti-Semites, and though this set of notions still exists mainly in the south, I've seen no evidence suggesting it is carried on by the brothers). As founders of Cato, we can see the links between Bircherism and Hayek.

The religious right can't be ignored. Their influence on modern conservatism in the US is profound. So that's Schlafly, Falwell, Roberts, etc. But it's important to grasp that this element wasn't and isn't just Evangelicals and Southern Baptists, it is also a group of important Catholic figures who aligned with the others. Paul Weyrich is an extremely important figure in this story, coining the term "moral majority" and going on to found the Heritage Foundation and ALEC.

Richard Viguerie is another key figure, developing direct mailing for both commercial and political goals. Karl Rove was another early user of this technique and later on, its modern variants. Not very many people know about Viguerie and his influence but he's still around and still very active.

Above or aside from all that, the establishment of numerous conservative think tanks beginning mainly in the early to mid 70s (following on the famous Lewis Powell Memo) has built up a large network of allied entities designed to forward modern conservative ideas and to move those ideas into academia, media and political office and policy. The ideas, strategies and successes of modern movement conservatism can't be grasped without some understanding of this factor.

blatham
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 07:03 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
gotta love that #45's tweets are likely (per ACLU report) going to be used as testimony against the attempted bans

he and his sons don't seem to get that tweets can be used as evidence

Whaddaya bet that if the courts continue to entertain those tweets as relevant and compelling evidence that the Trump dudes will say that their sacred free speech rights are being chilled and threatened.
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blatham
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 07:07 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
Watching [the Comey testimony] would probably be excruciating
That's guaranteed.
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blatham
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 07:08 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
How did the individual justices vote. Interesting that this article makes no mention of this.
That was my question too. Haven't sought out other info on that yet. I'll let you know when I get it.
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blatham
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 07:12 pm
Note this one, folks
Quote:
Just a few days before the 2016 presidential election, Russian military intelligence hackers targeted a Florida voting software company and more than 100 local election officials, according to a highly classified National Security Agency report obtained by The Intercept and verified by CBS News.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/nsa-russian-hacking-election-officials
hightor
 
  3  
Mon 5 Jun, 2017 07:19 pm
@blatham,
What about someone like Clare Booth Luce? Not a strategist or theorist but a long time face of conservatism, quite widely admired and culturally influential, if I remember correctly.
McGentrix
 
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Mon 5 Jun, 2017 07:20 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
according to a highly classified National Security Agency report obtained by The Intercept and verified by CBS News.


I doubt it.
 

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