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@layman,

You are a sorry POS, even by American standards, layman.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Finally you've come close to accurately describing a conservative movement goal, however "crippling" is a foolish choice of words. Even your long time nemesis Grover Norquist isn't an anarchist.

Shrinking the government (way back) is the goal, and one of the reasons Trump was elected.

Norquist sits far outside the mainstream of Republican tradition. He is as close to an absolutist as a high profile American political thinker can get.

"Cripple" is entirely accurate. His goal is not merely to shrink the size of government but rather to starve it of income such that it will not be able to represent any other ideological shape than the one he sees as legitimate. That is, his project is to ensure that the government of the US - regardless of what its citizens may desire - cannot in the future reflect those citizens' desires if they do not match Norquist's vision.

A consequence of this ideological extremism is that corporations will be increasingly free from oversight and legislation which has the teeth to control their behavior. This is also a fundamental goal of the Koch operations.

You'd do well to read Nina Easton's Gang of Five for a portrait of Norquist.

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@Finn dAbuzz,
A couple of weeks or so ago, you used the term "conservative movement leaders" in a context which implied I didn't grasp who these people are. At the time, I asked you to name them or some of them. What are the chances you'll take that up?

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

Look, Brandon9000, I'm sorry for the intemperate tone of my previous reply, but you're the one who's fixated on this, not me. I'm not here to defend the Clintons — who I don't hold in great respect — and if you wish to believe they are criminals you may continue to do so. I'm just saying that I believe their reported income sources are sufficient to explain their wealth.

Nothing personal. I just believe certain things and am debating them and trying to make my points. By the way, I did note your "Good one" compliment previously.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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[Shrinking the government (way back) is the goal, and one of the reasons Trump was elected.

Norquist sits far outside the mainstream of Republican tradition. He is as close to an absolutist as a high profile American political thinker can get.

"Cripple" is entirely accurate. His goal is not merely to shrink the size of government but rather to starve it of income such that it will not be able to represent any other ideological shape than the one he sees as legitimate. That is, his project is to ensure that the government of the US - regardless of what its citizens may desire - cannot in the future reflect those citizens' desires if they do not match Norquist's vision.

How is this different from the aims of progressives to enlarge the Federal government and entwine it irreversibly in all of the activities of our lives; education; medical care; employment regulations; financial transactions and income redistribution = all in a way to ensure that it can represent only their ideological preferences?

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A consequence of this ideological extremism is that corporations will be increasingly free from oversight and legislation which has the teeth to control their behavior. This is also a fundamental goal of the Koch operations.

And a consequence of the progressive ideological extremism will be the chokehold of government directed bureaucratic oversight and control of every aspect of our lives. This was the fundamental goal of all the tyrannical imposers of perfection in human affairs from Lenin to Mao, Castro and Chavez - ant the results they produced were poverty and the loss of freedom.

Corporations have competitors and must seek and satisfy their customers. Government tolerates no competition and compels acceptance.

. You persist in these meaningless distinctions without a difference and oddly appear to believe they prove something. In fact it is nothing but idiotic sophistry, Very strange.

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@blatham,

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What are the chances you'll take that up?

None to less than zero.

But is Finn really any different from you and the "liberal" crowd that gather at your feet?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Yes America First and if you were to live in France I would have no problem if you declared "France First"

Obama liked to think of himself as the global president who was going to tame American excesses and bring our nation into conformity with global interests. That's not the job description of POTUS.

I'd like to re-iterate this statement. It's spot on.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

blatham wrote:

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[Shrinking the government (way back) is the goal, and one of the reasons Trump was elected.

Norquist sits far outside the mainstream of Republican tradition. He is as close to an absolutist as a high profile American political thinker can get.

"Cripple" is entirely accurate. His goal is not merely to shrink the size of government but rather to starve it of income such that it will not be able to represent any other ideological shape than the one he sees as legitimate. That is, his project is to ensure that the government of the US - regardless of what its citizens may desire - cannot in the future reflect those citizens' desires if they do not match Norquist's vision.
How is this different from the aims of progressives to enlarge the Federal government and entwine it irreversibly in all of the activities of our lives; education; medical care; employment regulations; financial transactions and income redistribution = all in a way to ensure that it can represent only their ideological preferences?

blatham wrote:

A consequence of this ideological extremism is that corporations will be increasingly free from oversight and legislation which has the teeth to control their behavior. This is also a fundamental goal of the Koch operations.
And a consequence of the progressive ideological extremism will be the chokehold of government directed bureaucratic oversight and control of every aspect of our lives. This was the fundamental goal of all the tyrannical imposers of perfection in human affairs from Lenin to Mao, Castro and Chavez - ant the results they produced were poverty and the loss of freedom.

Corporations have competitors and must seek and satisfy their customers. Government tolerates no competition and compels acceptance.

. You persist in these meaningless distinctions without a difference and oddly appear to believe they prove something. In fact it is nothing but idiotic sophistry, Very strange.

https://barbelleblogdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/applause.jpg

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@blatham,

Little to none.

I don't perform on cue.

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@blatham,

What is the difference, in intent, between Norquist's goal and any left-wing ideologue? They all want to see a government that represents what they believe is the best path for America to follow, even if what they believe in is loony.

Your unshakable faith in the goodness of leftists and the evil of rightists is stunning

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Right wing ideologues seem repeatedly to be willing to ride their ideologies right to the point of crashing and burning. Liberals and progressives seem in general to be much more flexible and open to new approaches , as witness the recent near worldwide economic collapse caused by right winge conomics and gutting of the regulatory systems put in place after the Depression. And by the worldwidegreater success, lower cost, and better health outcomes by the liberal singlepayer and government managed healthcare systems in all the rest of the liberal democracies in the world but not the US.

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Alex Jones is saying that these massacres are essentially inside jobs in the sense that Western governments are opening all of the doors in front of these Wahhabist terrorists. He claims that cops and federal agents trying to actually protect the American people from this crap have been threatened with prosecution under civil rights laws, at least while Bork Obunga was in office.

So that it's not as if governments themselves were going out and murdering people, but they are equally as guilty as if they were. Jones uses the analogy of a murderer putting a rattlesnake in bed with an intended victim

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@MontereyJack,

Bullshit

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Nope. Truth.

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@MontereyJack,

Nope, ideological inspired tribal viewpoint.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Again, pot calling the kettle black,

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Your unshakable faith in the goodness of leftists and the evil of rightists is stunning

And illustrative of how badly misinformed blatham is. Every prez since WWII has been a war criminal and terrorist, obviously some more than others [and in this, the "conservatives lead by a wide margin].

Perhaps this is what he means - a sort of balancing the sins of various and sundry war criminals.

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Aren't there some things that are either yea or nay? For instance, either single payer healthcare systems have been good for the countries that have them, or they haven't?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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What is the difference, in intent, between Norquist's goal and any left-wing ideologue?

A balanced view would have been,

"What is the difference, in intent, between ideologue Norquist's goal and any left-wing ideologue?"

The difference, the huge difference, is that ideologue Norquist's goal is one that centers on greed.

But this right/left thing is just a huge ploy meant to keep you sheep distracted. In essence there is little difference between what Americans think of as left/right.

There is right, nutty right and totally wacked out Nazi right.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

Aren't there some things that are either yea or nay? For instance, either single payer healthcare systems have been good for the countries that have them, or they haven't?

They are certainly no better than those systems that use a marketplace instead of socialized insurance.

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