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blatham
 
  5  
Tue 30 May, 2017 07:53 am
Winner of this week's No ****, Sherlock award
Quote:
The fake news is coming from inside the White House
Uh, yeah.

On the trip back from Europe, this is what a senior administration official said to gathered reporters (obviously, he or she has asked not to be identified which makes no sense at all unless that individual has already lost credibility as a truth-teller)
Quote:
I’ll just implore you all, whether you’re talking about our successes on trade and migration in the G-7 or summit in Saudi Arabia, to tell the story back home about what an unprecedentedly and historically successful trip this was by an incredible leader and an amazing man who has done extraordinary things in a very short time for the country he loves and the people of America that he serves so faithfully.
And ain't that something. WP
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Olivier5
 
  3  
Tue 30 May, 2017 07:58 am
@gungasnake,
They've been comparing him to Stalin as well. Many people in Russia and other ex-USSR countries see Stalin as a great guy. And you have to give it to him that he vanquished Hitler...
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Tue 30 May, 2017 08:08 am
@Olivier5,
At an insane cost in Russian lives, made all the worse by his purges of the Russian military just prior to the outbreak of war. Stalin was nobody's idea of a hero other than amongst leftover communists who will not be replaced after they die off. Putin and Tsar Peter are heroes.
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Tue 30 May, 2017 08:12 am
https://www.newsli.ru/news/world/politika/13266
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blatham
 
  5  
Tue 30 May, 2017 08:18 am
Quote:
Trump’s tactics, in a different context, would be understood as typical authoritarian propaganda — regimes often propound nonsense more to enforce expectations on their citizens than because they are expecting anyone to actually believe it. The United States isn’t the kind of place where that can work. There’s a free and vibrant press and political debate operating wholly outside the world of Trump’s bullshit. But by filling the heads of his fans — and the media outlets they consume — with a steady diet of bullshit, Trump is nonetheless succeeding in endlessly reinscribing polarization in American politics, corroding America’s governing institutions, and poisoning civic life.
Vox
This is from a very interesting piece by Yglesias at Vox. Highly recommended.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Tue 30 May, 2017 08:21 am
@layman,
Good grief man this is old news. The MSM has been screaming about this for days now. Oh...wait a minute, its Trump's nasty treatment of Angela Merkel that they've been screaming about.

The unfortunate and very dirty aspect of the Great Game is those who play to win inevitably face the possibility of doing deals with devils in order to either defeat more devilish demons or simply just stay close to the lead.

It's easy to condemn these amoral alliances and I don't suggest the doing so is unwarranted but hypocrisy is usually present whenever such condemnation is heard. I doubt FDR and Churchill thought that Uncle Joe Stalin was a cuddly Russian teddy bear when they forged an alliance with him against Hitler, and immediately after winning that war, the Allies all scrambled to scoop up German scientists regardless of whether or not they were Nazis or their work in Germany resulted in the deaths of thousands of Allied troops.

JFK helped prop up thoroughly corrupt strongmen in Vietnam, Carter, that living monument to morality, was so accepting of the brutal Shah of Iran that he agreed to Roslyn's request that they visit Tehran when he offered her the opportunity to select the site of the next State visit. Reagan danced with people who directed Central American death squads and we all know that Al Qaida grew in power in Afghanistan in large measure due to the support provided by the US on the theory that the enemy of my enemy is a useful tool if not a friend. It wasn't just our leaders who embraced the Islamists blowing Russian helicopters out of the sky with US provided Stingers, and whose women folk delighted in torturing any captured Russian soldier, the MSM at the time often ran admiring accounts of the brave struggle of the mujahadeen freedom fighters...our proxy David struggling against the Soviet Goliath.

It is clearly hypocritical to accept any of these alliances of necessity but condemn any and all others. That the hypocrisy is nearly always a function of partisan tribalism is, of course, not surprising.

A not unreasonable argument can be made that what is gained by doing these deals is not worth the taint, and that, if necessary, the US should scale back it's ambitions and reach rather than pursue any that require unholy alliances. Of course this argument is similar to the one that suggests war is never an acceptable tool of foreign policy and, indeed, violence is never an acceptable response to any situation faced by nations or individuals. In order to take these arguments to their logical conclusion and satisfy the absolutism that compels them, those making them need to be willing to accept the slaughter of loved ones or themselves as a possible outcome of following their conscience. Perhaps the US and UK could have defeated Germany and Japan without the help of Stalinist Russia, but it's highly questionable and certainly would have involved a lot more dead Americans and Brits. The reality is that virtually no leader who thinks this way is going to lead as virtually none of the led will allow him or her to do so.

If the Obama administration concluded that Assad's Syria was a greater threat to US interests than the budding ISIS, and therefore decided to they were a useful tool to be employed (particularly since using US forces to accomplish the same ends wasn't even in the same room as the table) I may question the wisdom of that decision but I can't condemn it on moral grounds without doing so as respects every other unholy alliance in which this country has engaged. Real politik is a very nasty business, but you can't get on and off the bus depending on the party affiliation of the occupant of the White House and maintain anything close to intellectual honesty.

However...

This report suggests that the Obama Administration continued dancing with these devils even after the true nature of their dance partners became clear to them (something the report also suggests they knew all along) and, more importantly, after they realized that they were unable to exercise any sort of control over the devils and that any support provided would, if possible, be used against US interests and even to the extent of murdering US citizens.

Up to now the general consensus has been that Obama sought to downplay ISIS as JV terrorists because he a) Wanted to to tout himself as the president who defeated the terrorists, al-Qaida, (Remember, this was the man who saved GM and killed Osama bin Laden!) and b) Was very keen on downplaying anything that might have suggested that his order to withdraw from Iraq was premature or pressure him to send US troops back to the region.

Now we see that the lies and obfuscation that was a hallmark of the Obama Administration when it came to ISIS may have also been due to his wanting to minimize the threat that he not only helped to unleash but was continuing to support.

This is a major revelation and while there may be much more to the story that would cast a less damning light on the Obama Administration, it certainly is one that should be pursued by investigative reporters and not only an organization like Judicial Watch.

I get news updates via e-mail from a number of MSM outlets. They arrive in my inbox throughout the day. Sometimes I just scan the headline bullets because I can't stomach reading 12 anti-Trump polemics, all saying the same thing, on a daily basis. I have yet to see this story in a headline, and I'm doubting I will.

Now we can sit back and wait for our liberal friends to tell us why the matter is entirely irrelevant and that your raising it is a symptom of ODS.

(I don't think though that we'll have to wait long for camlok to tell us what hypocritical, lying cowards we are Very Happy )


Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 30 May, 2017 08:26 am
@blatham,
Well there you go...proof positive of your assertion: A tweet by Chuck Woolery.

Who pays attention to the tweets of Chuck Woolery on any topic other than the magical powers of "Australian Dream?"

Don't get me wrong, he's as entitled to whatever political opinions he has as Meryl Streep, Mark Ruffio and Sean Penn, and to spout them as often as they do, but why does anyone care what any of them have to say?
snood
 
  4  
Tue 30 May, 2017 08:31 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Why, because of their jobs, or the reasons for their being public figures?Donald Trump's biggest claim to fame was as a reality show host.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 30 May, 2017 10:10 am
@snood,
White House spokeswoman Hope Hicks (via WP)
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President Trump has a magnetic personality and exudes positive energy, which is infectious to those around him. He has an unparalleled ability to communicate with people, whether he is speaking to a room of three or an arena of 30,000. He has built great relationships throughout his life and treats everyone with respect. He is brilliant with a great sense of humor … and an amazing ability to make people feel special and aspire to be more than even they thought possible.
maporsche
 
  5  
Tue 30 May, 2017 10:11 am
@oralloy,
Response moderated: Personal attack. See more info.
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Tue 30 May, 2017 10:36 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
...If the Obama administration concluded that Assad's Syria was a greater threat to US interests than the budding ISIS, and therefore decided to they were a useful tool to be employed (particularly since using US forces to accomplish the same ends wasn't even in the same room as the table) I may question the wisdom of that decision but I can't condemn it on moral grounds without doing so as respects every other unholy alliance in which this country has engaged....


There is in fact the major difference. Winning World War II meant saving lives. The conflict in Syria is entirely motivated by competing schemes for gas pipelines; there is no possible way to justify the creation of something like ISIS for a cause like that.
camlok
 
  0  
Tue 30 May, 2017 10:46 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
The unholy alliances that have been made have been those who have aligned with the USA, Finn. Because the US has been doing all this deep evil for the most crass reason, to steal others wealth.

You know all this, you write of it yourself here, twisting it as always to make the US out as the good guy, when you actually know that you are lying. The US could have simply traded with others, as decent nations do, as the US is now doing with countries with different political systems [China, Vietnam, ...] but no, it has used its might to murder tens of millions just to position US business.

That is so deeply immoral.
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gungasnake
 
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Tue 30 May, 2017 10:49 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfCCwEf_J5A&app=desktop

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camlok
 
  1  
Tue 30 May, 2017 10:50 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
There is in fact the major difference. Winning World War II meant saving lives.


Another of the big lies.

Quote:
The conflict in Syria is entirely motivated by competing schemes for gas pipelines; there is no possible way to justify the creation of something like ISIS for a cause like that.


And the truth. The US created ISIS/... with their illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, the ultimate war crime. The same war crime that saw Nazis and Japanese hung.

The US owns all the crimes that have flowed from those illegal invasions.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Tue 30 May, 2017 11:08 am
http://www.salon.com/2017/05/27/wake-up-liberals-there-will-be-no-2018-blue-wave-no-democratic-majority-and-no-impeachment/?utm_source=jolt&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=170530_Jolt&utm_term=Jolt#.WSoIPTFp9Vp.facebook

Sorry my liberal friends.

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Oh, and since we’re on the subject: Forget about the “blue wave” of 2018. Forget about the Democratic majority of 2019. Forget about the impeachment of President Donald Trump. Have you even been paying attention? Because none of that stuff is happening and it’s all a massive distraction.


Quote:
Electing a Democratic House majority (which is 95 percent unlikely to happen) and impeaching Trump (which is 100 percent not going to happen) might feel good in the moment, but wouldn’t actually fix what is broken. Considered as a whole, the “blue wave” fantasy of November 2018 is a more elaborate and somewhat more realistic version of the “Hamilton elector” fantasy of December 2016: Something will happen soon to make this all go away.


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As for the Senate — well, Democratic campaign strategists will mumble and look away if you bring that up, because the Senate majority is completely out of reach. Of the 33 Senate seats up for election next year, 25 are currently held by Democrats — and 10 of those are in states carried by Donald Trump last year. It’s far more likely that Republicans will gain seats in the Senate, perhaps by knocking off Joe Manchin in West Virginia or Heidi Heitkamp in North Dakota, than lose any at all.

Those disadvantages could be overcome if we were looking at a major electoral shift, on the order of FDR in 1932 or the post-Watergate midterms of 1974, when Democrats won 49 seats in the House and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. I can only suppose that’s the sort of thing the blue-wave fantasists imagine. That brings us to the final and largest point: Exactly who is kidding themselves that the Democratic Party, in its 2017 state of disarray and dysfunction, is remotely capable of pulling off a history-shaping victory on that scale?

revelette1
 
  2  
Tue 30 May, 2017 11:11 am
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U.S. Congress' Russia probes expand to Trump's personal lawyer - ABC News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congressional investigations into alleged Russian meddling into the 2016 U.S. election and potential ties to President Donald Trump's associates have expanded to include his personal attorney, Michael Cohen, ABC News reported on Tuesday.

Citing a statement from Cohen, ABC News said he confirmed that he had been asked to provide information and testimony to investigators in the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate, but that he declined because "the request was poorly phrased, overly broad and not capable of being answered."


Reuters
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revelette1
 
  2  
Tue 30 May, 2017 11:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Laughing
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camlok
 
  -1  
Tue 30 May, 2017 11:31 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
You were jumping on layman a few posts ago about old news, Finn. I think it was layman himself who posted this some time ago.

Was this so you could avoid other posts that caused you mental distress/ deep cognitive dissonance.
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revelette1
 
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Tue 30 May, 2017 11:31 am
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On his first day back in the office after a lengthy overseas trip, President Trump made clear that he's not going to stop tweeting any time soon. In five tweets over less than four hours, the president again lashed out at Germany, again brushed off accusations that Russia interfered in the election, again called for blowing up the legislative filibuster, retweeted a photo of the crowd that gathered to hear him speak at Arlington National Cemetery on Monday and retweeted a Fox News article headlined “Jared Kushner didn't suggest Russian communications channel in meeting, source says.”

The tweet storm started at 6:40 a.m. on the East Coast, a bit earlier than usual, with a message that seemed aimed at German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has been critical of Trump and said Sunday that the days of Europe being able to rely on other countries, especially the United States, is “over to a certain extent.”

“We have a MASSIVE trade deficit with Germany, plus they pay FAR LESS than they should on NATO & military. Very bad for U.S. This will change,” the president wrote in a tweet from his personal account, @realDonaldTrump.

We have a MASSIVE trade deficit with Germany, plus they pay FAR LESS than they should on NATO & military. Very bad for U.S. This will change.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2017

Twenty-four minutes later came the next thought: “Russian officials must be laughing at the U.S. & how a lame excuse for why the Dems lost the election has taken over the Fake News.”
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2017

This isn't the first time that Trump has ignored the intelligence community's collective conclusion that Russia tried to interfere in last year's election and painted the issue as simply a conspiracy theory invented by Democrats. But this tweet comes as the media continues to report on contacts between Russia and Trump associates, including his son-in-law Jared Kushner, one of Trump's most trusted advisers.

Russian officials must be laughing at the U.S. & how a lame excuse for why the Dems lost the election has taken over the Fake News.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2017

The Washington Post reported Friday that Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring. This controversy has overshadowed Trump's presidency so far, and White House officials are trying to shift the focus back to policy while likely shaking up staff responsibilities.

But even as Trump and his inner circle try to dismiss the leaks as “fake news,” Russia seems to be taking them seriously.

In Moscow, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov complained that “the threat of leaks” from the White House undermines cooperation between the two countries. He claimed the Kremlin is now conducting only “basic level” exchanges with the Trump administration out of worry that details could be spilled to the U.S. media.

“You don’t know what’s going to happen tomorrow,” Ryabkov told Russian journalists. “Maybe you’ll see what you discussed with your counterpart on the pages of Washington Post or on CNN.”

The president then took a nearly three-hour Twitter break, resuming at 9:59 a.m. with this message: “The U.S. Senate should switch to 51 votes, immediately, and get Healthcare and TAX CUTS approved, fast and easy. Dems would do it, no doubt!”
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2017

In response, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted through a spokeswoman that neither of those two measures is going through a process that would allow a filibuster. Each requires only a simple 51-vote majority under a process known as reconciliation.

“Senator McConnell agrees that both health care and tax reform are essential and that is why Republicans in Congress are using the reconciliation process to prevent a partisan filibuster of these two critical legislative agenda items,” said McConnell spokeswoman Antonia Ferrier in response to Trump's tweet.


WP

Yea, really good communication skills. Maybe Jared put him on zantax through the trip and just pointed where he should go and what he should say. Might explain his dancing. But now he seems to be back and unrestrained.
camlok
 
  0  
Tue 30 May, 2017 11:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You're fired, Hope!
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