@Foofie,
Quote:stop using the young to pay for the medical bills of the needy.
Yes, the republicans have done their job explicitly, the democrats tacitly: Despite being tribal, social creatures, lets fight that basic impulse and
extradite those less fortunate out of our minds.
This argument of not using tax payer money to take care of others **might** hold water under a different kind of governance, however, 1. That governance does not exist and 2. Those in favour of such a laissez fair countenance expect that society can function effectively without government intervention..
And how I've worded it is part of the propaganda problem. It doesn't start as 'government' intervention. It starts as tax payer money. And before that, it starts as money from you and me, which, ironically, is where the folks against 'government support' argue its supposed to come from!
Social welfare is around for a reason and needed. Arguments against it are unclear. Arguing 'abuse!' is a non starter. As a single complaint, this assumes support of welfare, but not for the abusers. How to get rid of abuse then? Well, you need more government controls, which means more government, which those that argue this, are against. So, how are we to get rid of abuse again?
Both parties seem reluctant to vote for a proper accounting of govt run institutions. Democrats want to throw more money on this than republicans, but both hamstring the effective running of anything not named 'police', 'fire-fighting', military and a few other things (although from time to time, even these things get pillaged in political duels)..
In summary, it is not fair to say the gov't cannot do things right when the right amount of resources are not given to it to give a fair evaluation of efficacy.
Of course, if you're a libertarian and not for welfare of any kind (business or social), I'm not sure I want to see THAT country. Perhaps we would be more third world than anything.
I'm not arguing for 'Obama' Care. I think single payer is the way to go. And why not? Ostensibly we get to decide how our money is used. Your health is critical. Some of you opposed to welfare healthcare wouldn't be alive today without it! Everyone uses it from birth to death. 'Freedom' in the abstract isn't the issue (unless the majority of the country opposes what is on the docket or it is a clear moral issue), we all have to pay for stuff we don't want to. Unless you are libertarian, you have some splainin' to do. And specifics, not abstractions like don't take away my 'freedoms'. What specific freedoms? And what are the consequences on both sides of the coin?