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What is a nationalist?

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 11:01 am
@nimh,
Meanwhile you can go to http://able2know.org/account/preferences and change the setting for "collapse unpopular posts" to "No", if you wish, so the mass-downvoter(s) don't get to make entire conversations invisible.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 11:07 am
@Lash,
The headlines speak for themselves, it's all the proof a reasonable person needs. The fact that you're tying yourself up in knots trying explain them away says a lot about you.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 11:13 am
@giujohn,
Liberal, I'm a Socialist. Never voted Liberal in my life, and I never will. If you study History you'll find that there's a long History of Jewish persecution. It always starts with pointing out the prominent Jews. You know that, so stop acting coy and be honest for once. Banner is a racist, but you don't mind because you're a racist too.

Btw, there's no History of being persecuted for being English.

Lash
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 11:17 am
@izzythepush,
No knots here. I just don't fall in line with popular opinion.

You failed to find one piece of evidence to back up all your accusations against Bannon. LOL!!! It's so funny. I don't even have a dog in this fight--I've heard the usual suspects decry Breitbart, but since the mainstream media has been proven shite, I'm not so quick to let the unproven biased narratives of Hillary or Die-ers control who I read. A damning quote would definitely change my opinion, but you bitter character assassins can't seem to cobble one together.

So you talk big with no underpants.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 11:22 am
@Lash,
No, you refuse to accept reality. At least try being honest with yourself even if you can't with other people.
giujohn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 11:55 am
@catbeasy,
Ratings are supposed to equal money; the higher ratings the more you can charge for advertising... So I'm assuming with the incredibly low ratings that MSNBC gets compared to other cable news networks they don't command the higher rates.

And let me say this about this thuming down crap. It's something that I never really paid any attention to and rarely if at all ever engaged in... I think it's the most juvenal aspect of this entire site and I don't understand why it even exists as a feature. However I am greatly amused at all the thumbs-down that I get.
giujohn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 12:01 pm
@izzythepush,
As far as I'm concerned and for the sake of argument here regardless of how you label things in England you are a liberal but I'm happy to call you the Socialist as well. And as far as I'm concerned calling a Jew a Jew is like calling and Italian in Italian. And by the way for your edification I'm pro-israel.

Oh and you still never answered the question which word in that sentence Did you find to be pejorative?
catbeasy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 01:31 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
Ratings are supposed to equal money; the higher ratings the more you can charge for advertising

Yeah, I get that. I don't understand how that relates to MSNBC not having money as their primary driving goal, which is the point I was making. I guess what I'm saying is that it isn't necessarily by design that MSNBC has poor ratings (and I don't know what those ratings are and how they stack up to others, but for the sake of argument..).

What you seem to be saying is that MSNBC has consciously decided in some board meeting that they could increase ratings but figure that doing so will compromise their (liberal) message? Maybe the short answer is that they just aren't as good at what they do as their competitors?

In any case, I've watched these channels and am unimpressed. The rhetoric they espouse sounds good to my ears but the medium, their sponsors and their acceptance of a limited acceptable worldview and disallowance of anything outside of that framework do not. Not to mention their attention spans are the equivalent of a ferret on crack. Which leads to a horrible lack of context for what they "care about".

However, I will say that these medias have their uses. They are full of facts. They are instructive on where the nation is at. They show things that are real. They have a value, just not the one they purport to have..

And yeah, thumbing. Dumbing. I may disagree vehemently with you, but fully support your right to take your position and talk about it..
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 02:46 pm
@catbeasy,
catbeasy wrote:

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We are people first. I think anti-Semites forget this and forget the good dentists as well...


Quite true; however, since a good portion of Europe forgot "this," including the countries occupied by the Nazis, I believe for purposes of survival, Jews in the world need a safe haven, a la Israel (for now). What it comes down to, in my opinion, people being people first, as you point out, if there was a Jewish bellcurve, reflecting achievement based on culutural values, Jews might cluster around the middle, while a larger percentage of non-Jews are more spread out on both sides of the "average." So, Jews are perceived as to much of a competitive demographic to value their presence en masse (excluding the good dentist, of course).
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 02:56 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:


Hitler can't have been anti-Semitic because he made all the Jews sheriffs.[/i]



I've often wondered why so many sheriff badges in the western movies were literally two inverted triangles (Star of David). Was this because Hollywood had Jewish western movie producers? Or, did it reflect the fact that the early west had Jewish itinerant peddlers that opened up a store in a town, and the town's people wanted the family to stay, to have a place to buy potions and notions (and fabric), so some male in the family was voted sheriff?

There were Jews in the early west; Wyatt Earp married a Jewish woman from San Francisco, and is buried in a Hebrew Cemetary I believe in Arizona. The early westerners were not as anti-Semitic as the eastern demographic; possibly because in an undeveloped area, like the early west, all people were valued for what they could contribute to the town.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 02:59 pm
@Lash,
It's anti-Semitic to equate being a Jew with the support of the state of Israel.

It's along the lines of slandering Jews who don't support the state of Israel of being "self-hating Jews."

That said, Kristol is a staunch supporter of the state of Israel.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 03:01 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

As far as I'm concerned and for the sake of argument here regardless of how you label things in England you are a liberal but I'm happy to call you the Socialist as well. And as far as I'm concerned calling a Jew a Jew is like calling and Italian in Italian. And by the way for your edification I'm pro-israel.



If an Evanglelist refers to me as a Jew, it could very well because of the belief that Jews need to exist at the time of the Second Coming. When some others refer to me as a Jew, it might very well be the standard epithet used from time immemorial, or a way of letting other Gentiles get the high sign that I am an outsider in their non-Jewish clic.

Regardless, the term Jewish, or Jewish person, is the way Jews in NYC find their ethnic identity to be repectfully referred to.
giujohn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 04:42 pm
@Foofie,
Uh yeah... that may be politically correct but I don't insist people refer to me as an Italian person I have no problem being referred to as just an Italian.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 04:47 pm
@izzythepush,
Show me reality and I'll look. What did he say that places him beneath contempt?
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 05:03 pm
@nimh,
Never did like the idea. I dont indulge in the practice. But it seems many do. I guess a certain number of downposts will hide your comments. For the more devious its a good way to hide posts one dosent like. Probably one of the free speech advocates.
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catbeasy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 05:06 pm
@giujohn,
Not sure this is political correctness?
I have used the term 'Jew' like you, but I was always hesitant precisely because of the point Foof brought up..It can be used as a slandering word.

I suppose 'Italian' and 'English' could be as well, but I've never seen this; I think for these words to be considered a slander they would have to be spoken with emphasis or if written, italicized and in the proper written context!

So, I don't think 'Italian' carries with it near the weight of 'Jew'. I conceive of a hierarchy of potentially disparaging words that can be misconstrued, especially among people that don't know each other and especially on the internet (see the former point!).

This same argument was used over the fighting Irish logo over the Redskins logo. False equivalences. (at least today, one could have made an argument that at one time it was bigoted as the Irish here were seen in a less than stellar light at one time in the states history - still the Irish weren't slaughtered and pillaged from either).

Hiding behind not wanting to be politically correct is no excuse for bad manners.

On a similar note, in England (and I think the rest of the world) we grew up calling Asians, Orientals. Not a bad word anywhere but here. Found out quick..
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2016 05:09 pm
@izzythepush,
Izzy, in this country liberals are considered socialist by most conservatives. You know anyone who believes in social security, or universal health care, or feeding starving families is considered a raving liberal socialist. Christian values that should be kept in church, not foisted on government.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2016 01:34 am
@RABEL222,
I'm not accepting someone else's definition regardless of how English words are used in your country. I don't use the s word either. It's football.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2016 07:11 am
All about Steve-o

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/16/steve-bannon-made-breitbart-space-pro-israel-writers-anti-semitic-readers/

He decided to take on political correctness--and I'm not surprised by the results.
giujohn
 
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Reply Thu 17 Nov, 2016 07:36 am
@Lash,
When a black person calls another black person, who even slightly sympathizes with white people, an Oreo or an Uncle Tom that person is never decried as a racist. However if a Jew or anyone else calls out another Jew who is not pro-israel, they are anti-semites. And in this case who's the one calling them anti-semites at Breitbart? The left media. Feeding those people on the wacko fringe right to flock to Breitbart to voice their anti-semite beliefs about all Jews... See how nicely that works so now the mainstream media can claim that Steve Bannon is antisemitic.
 

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