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Reasons for optimism

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 08:12 pm
@ossobucotemp,
They have a rather incredible deal right now for digital or print. https://subscribe.newyorker.com/subscribe/newyorker/101350?source=google_int_can
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 06:01 am
David Remnick reports on the meeting between Trump and a bunch of media people. It's by far the best piece I've read on the Trump/media meeting. This is the way he is going to operate - he will continue to stoke anger in his base towards media and he will try to bully and discredit any media which takes him to task with critical commentary. That's pretty much always an authoritarian's or totalitarian's first move. http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-personally-blasts-the-press
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For more than twenty minutes, Trump railed about “outrageous” and “dishonest” coverage. When he was asked about the sort of “fake news” that now clogs social media, Trump replied that it was the networks that were guilty of spreading fake news. The “worst,” he said, were CNN (“liars!”) and NBC.

...Another participant at the meeting said that Trump’s behavior was “totally inappropriate” and “******* outrageous.” The television people thought that they were being summoned to ask questions; Trump has not held a press conference since late July. Instead, they were subjected to a stream of insults and complaints—and not everyone absorbed it with pleasure.

“I have to tell you, I am emotionally ******* pissed,” another participant said. “How can this not influence coverage? I am being totally honest with you. Toward the end of the campaign, it got to a point where I thought that the coverage was all about [Trump’s] flaws and problems. And that’s legit. But, I thought, O.K., let’s give them the benefit of the doubt. After the meeting today, though—and I am being human with you here—I think, **** him! I know I am being emotional about it. And I know I will get over it in a couple of days after Thanksgiving. But I really am offended. This was unprecedented. Outrageous!”


By way of contrast, recall Obama's first meeting with media people. It was shortly before his inauguration and included Bill Kristol, David brooks, Charles Krauthammer, Paul Gigot, Peggy Noonan, Michael Barone, Larry Kudlow and George Will. This took place at Will's house. Here's participant commentary after:

Quote:
"He's making good on his promise to reach out to Republicans and conservatives and this post-partisan stuff, whatever that means," Kudlow said. "I was very impressed. He's a nice guy, terribly smart, well-informed, great smile. He just really engaged. He said he likes to know the arguments on all sides."

Barone called Obama "an attractive person in a small setting. It's harder to hate someone you've had close contact with and who has pleasant characteristics."
http://wapo.st/2f23OkB
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 06:11 am
@blatham,
I know it is downright depressing to go from such a class act like Obama to such a jerk like Trump. Even scary to think of the ramifications both domestic and foreign. Surely he won't treat world leaders like the press?

I also hope the press does not let it influence them on what they report. They need to fight to stay free and uncensored.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 06:20 am
@revelette2,
That's a joke. Wikileaks shows 'journalists' writing puff pieces requested by Clinton and taking orders from her campaign.

They are corrupt establishment hacks.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 06:36 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
Surely he won't treat world leaders like the press?
How that plays out is yet to be seen but the recent suggestion to Britain that they ought to appoint Farange as ambassador tells us not just that this idiot has no familiarity with leadership at this level but that he is so profoundly narcissistic that he will seldom if ever admit that he needs to learn anything. He will do X or Y and when it all goes terribly wrong, he'll blame media or some other target. They guy is a walking bomb psychologically.
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 06:53 am
@Lash,
The fact you take WikiLeaks which has been in Russian hands as though it is credible says more about you than the press or Clinton. Unless you think our intelligence is also under the powerful Clinton's, we know the source of the leaks was Russian hacks, Russians are known for distorting information then putting it out to be consumed for propaganda purposes. Some of it may be true, but some not, so the whole is to be treated as tainted.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 07:05 am
Early this morning, Trump cancelled his meeting with the NYT where staff were going to give him questions and the whole thing would be on the record (as contrasted with yesterday's meeting). Here's the Times piece on it. Attend to Trump's tweets. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 07:15 am
@revelette2,
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.marfeel.com/amp/www.nationalreview.com/corner/441266/hillary-clinton-democratic-emails-hacked-russia?client=safari

The media and the Clinton camp are proven liars, and the Blame Russia dodge is just more Clintonspeak. What evidence was shown to convince you that Russia hacked and changed documents?? None. It just fits the desperate Hillary or Die narrative. The DNC was busted.

revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 07:50 am
@Lash,
In the first place, we are talking of Trump now, he is the one who will be president and the one we are dealing with and already he is acting the dictator with the press. Secondly, nationalreview? Really? Please don't pretend you are a progressive anymore, it insults any reasoning person's intelligence.

Political fact rated Hillary's statement of 17 intelligence agencies confirming it was Russian hacks behind WikiLeaks of the DNC as true.

Look Here

I suppose political fact has joined the ranks of the Clinton oppressed or owned.
woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 08:37 am
@revelette2,
WHen the mainstream media starts reporting the events objectively and not editorializing, then maybe he will change.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 09:04 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

David Remnick reports on the meeting between Trump and a bunch of media people. It's by far the best piece I've read on the Trump/media meeting. ....
Clearly ole Dave was pissed, but so what ? Just what made his article :..by far the best.." Apparently it was because it did well in fulfilling your prejudgments.

blatham wrote:

By way of contrast, recall Obama's first meeting with media people. It was shortly before his inauguration and included Bill Kristol, David brooks, Charles Krauthammer, Paul Gigot, Peggy Noonan, Michael Barone, Larry Kudlow and George Will. This took place at Will's house. Here's participant commentary after:

Quote:
"He's making good on his promise to reach out to Republicans and conservatives and this post-partisan stuff, whatever that means," Kudlow said. "I was very impressed. He's a nice guy, terribly smart, well-informed, great smile. He just really engaged. He said he likes to know the arguments on all sides."

Barone called Obama "an attractive person in a small setting. It's harder to hate someone you've had close contact with and who has pleasant characteristics."
http://wapo.st/2f23OkB
Those are natural human reactions. However it is not insignificant to note that all of the named attendees, Kudlow included, have subsequently labeled Obama as onr of the worst presidents we have endured. What does that tell you about your phony psychoanalysis?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 10:18 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Early this morning, Trump cancelled his meeting with the NYT where staff were going to give him questions and the whole thing would be on the record (as contrasted with yesterday's meeting). Here's the Times piece on it. Attend to Trump's tweets. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


It appears to me Trump is winning this game. He has successfully created a fairly effective means of bypassing the hostile media, and making his voice heard. Meanwhile sales of the New York Times are falling fast. The action on both sides will, of course, continue but the last two rounds are Trump's.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 10:20 am
@georgeob1,
not wanting to invoke Godwins law but others have done exactly the same.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 10:25 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Surely he won't treat world leaders like the press?
How that plays out is yet to be seen but the recent suggestion to Britain that they ought to appoint Farange as ambassador tells us not just that this idiot has no familiarity with leadership at this level but that he is so profoundly narcissistic that he will seldom if ever admit that he needs to learn anything. He will do X or Y and when it all goes terribly wrong, he'll blame media or some other target. They guy is a walking bomb psychologically.


What familiarity do you have with "leadership at this level"?

I suspect a trace of narcissism is a common element in leaders. Do you believe that Obama is a narcissist?

I see a good deal of evidence suggesting a cooly calculating strategistin some of Trump's actions..
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 10:26 am
@revelette2,
No, you were talking about the veracity of Wikileaks and the vast Russian conspiracy theory that Hillary and her corrupt campaign hid behind when they were exposed through their own words.

Where's the proof Russia was involved??
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 10:41 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

not wanting to invoke Godwins law but others have done exactly the same.


Well I had toi look up goodwin's rule, but I don't see any connection here with comparisons with Hitler.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 10:44 am
It appears those nasty conservative posters here have resumed their thumbing down of posters whoise views they oppose. Good thing revelette & baltham aren't at all involved.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 11:19 am
@georgeob1,
George - on that post above re thumbs, you're being deceitful and a dick. Pull up your socks and get honest.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 11:24 am
@blatham,
No deceit and I don't take such suggestions kindly. As for the rest look to yourself.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 11:30 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Clearly ole Dave was pissed, but so what ?

No he wasn't. He wasn't there. He's reporting the responses of others who were there.

Quote:
Those are natural human reactions. However it is not insignificant to note that all of the named attendees, Kudlow included, have subsequently labeled Obama as onr of the worst presidents we have endured. What does that tell you about your phony psychoanalysis?

"Natural reactions" to what? Such reactions as described do not appear to have been the case yesterday re Trump. So in that second case, were the reactions unnatural?

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