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Breaking News: Saddam possessed WMD, extensive terror ties

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 09:48 am
Then there are those (like me) who think the invasion was simply 12 years too late.

Ba da bing.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 09:50 am
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Insisting that his inspectors needed more time to complete their work before rendering a final conclusion, Blix told the council,


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Blix complained about Iraq's lack of cooperation on other matters, highlighting unresolved questions about the country's chemical and biological weapons stockpiles.


Gee, Maybe you should READ what Blix said McG. Any fool other than Bush could see that it meant there was NOT a conclusion made yet. There were questions about the chemical and biological stockpiles but it was NOT a forgone conclusion. Hell, it wasn't even CLOSE to being a forgone conclusion.

There were questions about Saddam's failure to prove his statements but there was no evidence to back up the claim that Saddam was lying when he said he didn't have WMD. Inspections may well have answered those questions if they had been allowed to continue. The inspections did prove many of the Bush administration allegations false before the war and it appears the rest of them are proving false after the war.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 09:54 am
Parados, how old are you?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 10:21 am
cjhsa wrote:
Then there are those (like me) who think the invasion was simply 12 years too late.

Ba da bing.


Well, this would mean that there are and have been some dozen more countries on list - and you definately have no idea, what imperialism means ... nor .... forget it:shock:
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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 10:23 am
Papa Bush made it very clear why he was not rushing up to Baghdad on rte 101. CJ, are you familiar with Papa's theories on Iraq?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 10:52 am
parados wrote:
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Insisting that his inspectors needed more time to complete their work before rendering a final conclusion, Blix told the council,


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Blix complained about Iraq's lack of cooperation on other matters, highlighting unresolved questions about the country's chemical and biological weapons stockpiles.


Gee, Maybe you should READ what Blix said McG. Any fool other than Bush could see that it meant there was NOT a conclusion made yet. There were questions about the chemical and biological stockpiles but it was NOT a forgone conclusion. Hell, it wasn't even CLOSE to being a forgone conclusion.

There were questions about Saddam's failure to prove his statements but there was no evidence to back up the claim that Saddam was lying when he said he didn't have WMD. Inspections may well have answered those questions if they had been allowed to continue. The inspections did prove many of the Bush administration allegations false before the war and it appears the rest of them are proving false after the war.


I used Blix's statement to contradict au1929's statement, not as an excuse for a war parados.
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Xena
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 10:55 am
What our side has done is liberate millions of people. Our side has given a chance for millions of people to live a life of their choosing. Our side has given millions opportunities they never would have known before..

The following paragraph states, were still sifting through a mountain of documents. Of course we would liked to have found them. This still doesn't take away from the premise we went to war on.

Pres Bush wasn't the only one who said it! After the stockpiles weren't found, you can't say Pres lied about anything. It is easy to accuse him after all the politicians, Jorda, Egypt and the entire world said the exact same thing.

Hans Blix is an appeasing a-hole! It's all coming out! With the reports today, it said

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Mr Duelfer told a Senate committee yesterday the Saddam regime "had made progress in eroding sanctions, and had it not been for September 11, things would have taken a very different turn for the regime". He pointed out the report was comprehensive but "not final" as a team of 900 linguists were still sifting through a mountain of documents.


Saddam was supposed to prove he destroyed them, if he didn't have them. That still makes the invasion just. There is still the question as to how he destroyed them or where there are now. Saddam never came clean, hindered the inspections by not allowing the inspectors to interview the scientists without minders, by not allowing surveillance over land and never shown any documents proving he didn't have them.

You don't do anyone in Iraq or here any favors by trying to conclude the war in Iraq is unjust. You don't take into consideration the reasons. 12 years of resolutions, not abiding by the rules of the no-fly zone, his using WMD's to kill his own people and his neighbors, deceiving the entire region and the world, are all valid reasons to take him out. The world is better off without him in power. Thank God we did, if we didn't the sanctions may have been lifted and then we'd have to deal with an even worse threat than he already was.

Were you prepared to believe Saddam without any proof? I wasn't.

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He suggested that only the ousted leader knew what his weapons plans were and that even close aides were uncertain whether Iraq had WMD or not.

The Duelfer report found that there had been no "identifiable group of WMD policy makers or planners separate from Saddam.

"Instead, his lieutenants understood WMD revival was his goal from their long association with Saddam and his infrequent but firm, verbal comments and directions to them."


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Saddam and the French Connection

FRASER NELSON, AND JAMES KIRKUP

Key points

• Saddam bribery revealed
• WMD said to have been destroyed
• Blair accepts mistake over WMD

Key quote
"Just as I have had to accept that the evidence now is that there were not stockpiles of actual weapons ready to be deployed, I hope others have the honesty to accept that the report also shows that sanctions weren't working" - Tony Blair

SADDAM HUSSEIN believed he could avoid the Iraq war with a bribery strategy targeting Jacques Chirac, the President of France, according to devastating documents released last night.

Memos from Iraqi intelligence officials, recovered by American and British inspectors, show the dictator was told as early as May 2002 that France - having been granted oil contracts - would veto any American plans for war.

But the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), which returned its full report last night, said Saddam was telling the truth when he denied on the eve of war that he had any weapons of mass destruction (WMD). He had not built any since 1992.

The ISG, who confirmed last autumn that they had found no WMD, last night presented detailed findings from interviews with Iraqi officials and documents laying out his plans to bribe foreign businessmen and politicians.

Although they found no evidence that Saddam had made any WMD since 1992, they found documents which showed the "guiding theme" of his regime was to be able to start making them again with as short a lead time as possible."

Saddam was convinced that the UN sanctions - which stopped him acquiring weapons - were on the brink of collapse and he bankrolled several foreign activists who were campaigning for their abolition. He personally approved every one.

To keep America at bay, he focusing on Russia, France and China - three of the five UN Security Council members with the power to veto war. Politicians, journalists and diplomats were all given lavish gifts and oil-for-food vouchers.

Tariq Aziz, the former Iraqi deputy prime minister, told the ISG that the "primary motive for French co-operation" was to secure lucrative oil deals when UN sanctions were lifted. Total, the French oil giant, had been promised exploration rights.

Iraqi intelligence officials then "targeted a number of French individuals that Iraq thought had a close relationship to French President Chirac," it said, including two of his "counsellors" and spokesman for his re-election campaign.

They even assessed the chances for "supporting one of the candidates in an upcoming French presidential election." Chirac is not mentioned by name.

A memo sent to Saddam dated in May last year from his intelligence corps said they met with a "French parliamentarian" who "assured Iraq that France would use its veto in the UN Security Council against any American decision to attack Iraq."

Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, last night said again that he was wrong to suggest Saddam had WMD - but asked the British public to accept that Iraq would probably have acquired such weapons if he had not acted.

However, the ISG uncovered millions of pages of documents and, after interviewing scores of captured Iraqis - including Mr Aziz - the report lays out what it says is were plans to end the United Nations sanctions then start to acquire weapons.

Saddam, it says, even fooled his own military chiefs into believing that he had WMD. This was designed to deter uprising from rebel Iraqis, on whom he deployed mustard gas in 1988, and aggressors in the Middle East.

Speaking during his trip to Ethiopia last night, the Prime Minister referred to his speech last week where he admitted being "wrong" in the main part of his case for war but right to see a gathering threat in Iraq.

"Just as I have had to accept that the evidence now is that there were not stockpiles of actual weapons ready to be deployed, I hope others have the honesty to accept that the report also shows that sanctions weren't working," he said.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 01:23 pm
when all else fails, blame the french...
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Xena
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 03:36 pm
If the shoe fits! That goes for the Russian and Germans too..

Because of their greed, they would turn their backs on what was the right thing to do.. I blame them totally! If it wasn't for them, the world would be the same page when it comes to fighting Al-Queda. They would rather have let the sanctions be lifted for their own greed, excusing the sponsoring of terrorism. They are as guilty as any nation that supports terrorism, they are one in the same..
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 03:46 pm
Xena wrote:
They are as guilty as any nation that supports terrorism, they are one in the same..


Thanks, I appreciate that very much.
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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 03:48 pm
Don't worry Walter, there's a lot of s**t being thrown against the wall but none of it is sticking.
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willow tl
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 03:52 pm
sorry Walter that others tend to paint with a broad stroke...before removing the plank in their own eye...
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Xena
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 04:03 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Xena wrote:
They are as guilty as any nation that supports terrorism, they are one in the same..


Thanks, I appreciate that very much.


Sorry, I should have said the leadership and not ALL people. If the leaders of these nations didn't have their hand in the cookie jar, we all wouldn't be having these arguments regarding Iraq.... You understand, I hope!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 04:04 pm
No.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 04:09 pm
Seriously, where did you see just a single "German leader"?

Perhaps hidden behind those, who are not mentioned due to "US Privacy Law"?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 04:11 pm
It seems Xena has bought the party line lock stock and barrell, no if's, and's and but's. "If you ain't wit us, yore agin us."
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Xena
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 04:14 pm
Oh well, there are people in these countries who understand that the US is not evil and it will defend and protect, whether you like it or not...

Democracy is the only answer to turning the tide on terrorism. It is happening, Afghanistan is going forward and I am happy for them.. You look at the history of violence and torture these people have had for generation upon generation, and you should be excited they are taking the first steps for a decent life (like you enjoy). They are tougher than any of you who sit and criticize every step of their push forward for democracy.. The same for Iraq...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 04:23 pm
Xena, Please learn about how the repubs are destroying our democracy at home - especially in Florida. After you do that, please learn what is really going on in Afghanistan's elections - and why it's a farce. After you've done that, come back and tell us that you still support your post above. Thank you. c.i.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 04:28 pm
Well, ci, there is actually a woman running for president of Afghanistan. I'd say that's a hell of a lot of progress.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 04:31 pm
Now that you've identified the progress, now list all the negatives about this coming election - if you dare.
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