Kerry wiped the floor with Bush

No it doesn't as it doesn't reference Bush at all other than when referenced by Kerry. But can you honestly say Kerry has been consistent? Or is likely to actually have a position he;ll stick to now?

Yet you have a problem with the US paying the NKs not to build nukes that could incinerate tens of millions of Americans.

Oh, and take it easy on the Cheese Heads, will ya? I can handle your childish insults…hell, being retarded, many of them just fly right over my head anyway... but there is no reason to paint such a fine group with your ugly brush. Don't be so jealous. :wink:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

Oh, and take it easy on the Cheese Heads, will ya? I can handle your childish insults…hell, being retarded, many of them just fly right over my head anyway... but there is no reason to paint such a fine group with your ugly brush. Don't be so jealous. :wink:

You mean...

...it is actually possible to insult a cheesehead???

Anyway...my beloved Jints play the Pack tomorrow...and I am looking for an upset!

(Actually have 25 of the remaining 100 in my suicide pool on the pack...and I would love to see them outta there. I've got the Eagles.

For me, rooting for the Eagles is about as enjoyable as having to root for Dumbya Bush. But the suicide pool is worth lots of bucks.

Bush may do the wrong thing, but I trust him to do what he believes is right. Every time.

Just answering Kicky's assertion that we Bush-supporters give no reason to support him Panzade. Serious mistakes have been made in the war on terror--I've been reading everything I can get my hands on which 1) gives me encouragement that our leaders are trying to get it right and 2) gives me confidence they are learning from their mistakes. The one thing that is most hampering successes is the court of public opinion--can't blow up a mosque full of terrorists because it's just too politically incorrect for instance. Being a child of the WWII generation, there were far more defeats, miscalculations, and setbacks than victories for the allies, but through a unified front and strength of will, the victories became decisive.

You've probably noticed that my personal campaign is an attempt to encourage a mentality of 'let's win this thing' rather than constantly dwelling on the set backs.

JustWonders wrote:

So you know that Kerry has always said he thinks the disbursement of our military should be at the discretion of the U.N., right?

JustWonders wrote:

Panzade - Years ago the Harvard Crimson quoted Kerry as saying he thought the disbursement of the U.S. military should be at the discretion of the United Nations. In the recent debate he said something about having to pass a "global test" for preemptive action.

Yep. Something about that. In fact, this was what he said:

Quote:

KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War. [..]

No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America.

But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.

The "global test" does not include UN approval. There is no mention of it being at the UN's discretion for America to use its military. In fact, he explicitly said, just the sentence before, that would not be the case: "nor would I [cede] the right to preempt in any way necessary". The "global test" he referred to on justifying such a preemption is about credibility, not about approval.

In short, you're lying, up there in that first quote.

Published on Wednesday, February 11, 2004
Old Crimson Interview Reveals A More Radical John Kerry
The Crimson reported Kerry called for U.N. control of troops in 1970

By ZACHARY M. SEWARD
Crimson Staff Writer

Ten months after returning home from Vietnam, a young John Kerry strolled into the offices of The Harvard Crimson on Feb. 13, 1970 as an obscure underdog in the Democratic Congressional primary.
The decorated veteran, honorably discharged after a tour of duty in the Mekong Delta, spoke in fierce terms during his daylong interview with The Crimson's Samuel Z. Goldhaber '72.

But almost 34 years later, Kerry's remarks on American military and intelligence operations vastly diverge from opinions expressed by the present-day Sen. John F. Kerry, D.-Mass., the leading candidate in the Democratic primary for president.

"I'm an internationalist," Kerry told The Crimson in 1970. "I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations."

Kerry said he wanted "to almost eliminate CIA activity. The CIA is fighting its own war in Laos and nobody seems to care."

The Kerry campaign, celebrating primary victories in Virginia and Tennessee last night, declined to comment on the senator's remarks.

As a candidate for president, Kerry has said he supports the autonomy of the U.S. military and has never called for a scale-back of CIA operations.

Former Secretary of Labor Robert B. Reich defended Kerry's 1970 statements as appropriate for their time.

"In the context of the Vietnam War, those comments are completely understandable," said Reich, who has endorsed Kerry.

But a spokesperson for President Bush's reelection campaign said Kerry's 1970 remarks signaled the senator's weakness on defense.

"President Bush will never cede the best interests of the national security of the American people to anybody but the president of the United States, along with the Congress," said the spokesperson, Kevin A. Madden.

The increasingly likely matchup between Kerry and Bush has already prompted comparisons of the senator's record in Vietnam and the president's domestic service in the National Guard. And the two Yale graduates, both members of the secret society Skull and Bones, appeared set to square off in future months under the specter of the ongoing war in Iraq.

Goldhaber, whose first-person profile of Kerry ran in The Crimson Feb. 18, 1970, said yesterday he recalled the candidate as an emerging outsider whose campaign focused squarely on his opposition to the Vietnam War.

"We lived, dreamed and breathed Vietnam," Goldhaber said.

Still, Adam Clymer '58, political director of the National Annenberg Election Survey at the University of Pennsylvania, said Kerry's comments would likely find their way into Bush campaign materials.

"If I were them, I'd use this," said Clymer, a former Crimson president. "I'd use it in direct mail."

Kerry's conservative opponents have already begun painting the Massachusetts senator and former deputy governor as an elite, New England liberal, and his 21-year voting record in the Senate may provide considerable ammunition.

Madden said the Bush campaign would highlight Kerry's Senate votes should he win the Democratic nomination.

And Reich forecasted G.O.P. research would extend far beyond Capitol Hill.

"If Kerry is the nominee, Republicans will try and search back into everything he ever said on every issue," Reich predicted.

Kerry's 1970 remarks to Goldhaber portray a fiery, novice politician inspired by his opposition to the Vietnam War.

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I think one of the major problems your political system is grappling with, in this age, is that the news media are working on a perverted interpretation of objectivity. >

You've probably noticed that my personal campaign is an attempt to encourage a mentality of 'let's win this thing' rather than constantly dwelling on the set backs.