Kerry wiped the floor with Bush

JustWonders wrote:

With a clear majority saying the debates won't influence their vote, it doesn't much matter really.

My biggest disappointment was Kerry not stepping up to the podium and saluting. (I guess his "handlers" advised against that LOL).

I think his references to "being in combat" however, probably reminded some of what he did after "being in combat".

Tommy Franks tonight said he didn't see how Kerry could look a soldier or a mom or dad of a soldier in the eye after calling the war in Iraq a "grand diversion". He said that "greatly troubled" him.

General Franks further stated that the Senator is 100% wrong in saying that troops and resources were diverted from Afghanistan in order to concentrate on Iraq. He said never at any time was there a reduction in troops in Afghanistan nor was money or any other resource diverted for that purpose. I guess he should know...he was there.

Contridicts earlier statements made by Franks to Senator Graham. . .

Quote:

Graham also revealed that Gen. Tommy Franks told him on Feb. 19, 2002, just four months after the invasion of Afghanistan, that many important resources - including the Predator drone aircraft crucial to the search for Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida leaders - were being shifted to prepare for a war against Iraq.

http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Sep/20040905News025.asp

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Dalthan - George Bush speaks from his heart and believes what he says.

Kerry (as many have pointed out) will say anything and pretty much bases his comments on what he thinks the listener wants to hear.

President Bush is committed to his beliefs and Kerry hasn't yet decided what his beliefs are.

President Bush will be re-elected on November 2 and then there won't be any question of who won the debates.

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General Franks said tonight that Graham heard what "he wanted to believe". Nothing more.

I think the majority of Americans are smart enough to know who is telling the truth here.

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yes, and that's Kerry.

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just wonders is right on this one littlek...lehrer gave the ok to both of them.

speaking only of body language and manners: i was surprised tonight to see how well kerry composed himself. i haven't ever been impressed with his social skills up to date.

bush is not the best speaker, but he's the right man to continue leading the u.s., in my opinion.

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gee, i'm late! you guys are fast posters!

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Yes Joe, the truth is that Bush lied and did the unghh-ummm think he does when the brain goes dead at least five or six times.

Bush came across like the burnt weenie sandwich he is once again. And every American burnt weenie sandwich like him who feels threatened by people who are smarter - are all saying how well they thought that Bush handled himself.

I'd like to see him handle himself back to Crawford. He's do better at that than debating. By losing however, he appeals to losers. And as you and I know, Joe, there are many of them.

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JustWonders wrote:

Dalthan - George Bush speaks from his heart and believes what he says.

Kerry (as many have pointed out) will say anything and pretty much bases his comments on what he thinks the listener wants to hear.

President Bush is committed to his beliefs and Kerry hasn't yet decided what his beliefs are.

President Bush will be re-elected on November 2 and then there won't be any question of who won the debates.

Keep on believing the rhetoric.

Kerry called out Bush for being the liar he is. Bush had no comeback other then flip-flop. He has no plan other then "staying the course" and it's a complete mess. Bush is done, Kerry is starting the steamroller which will not stop. You can continue to ignore the obvious, it's your choice, but you're sitting on a sinking ship. Most people would jump off rather then go down the ship.

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JustWonders wrote:

General Franks said tonight that Graham heard what "he wanted to believe". Nothing more.

Kind of like how Bush "heard what he wanted to believe" about the information pertaining to Iraq? You can't have it both ways.

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gosh, i hope you're not referring to fellow a2kers who are bush supporters as losers, padmasambava.

that would be rude.

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PamO. wrote:

bush is not the best speaker, but he's the right man to continue leading the u.s., in my opinion.

Why do you think this? What has been shown to date that we are continuing down the right path? I have seen nothing in 4 years which shows me how he is planning to win the war. He's very good at starting them, but he hasn't got a clue at how to run, nor complete them.

In fact, all I heard from Bush was that Kerry isn't saying how he is going to win the war. In fact, Kerry is very clear on what he is planning, it is Bush who isn't clear. How is he (Bush) planning to win the war anyway? Do we even know? Do we just keep going down the same path?

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Several times while I was watching Kerry, I thought, oh my god, this guy is actually articulate! It's amazing how low your expectations can get when you watch 4 years of George Bush running your country. I still think Kerry is going down, but now I feel a little bit sadder about it. It would be nice to have a president who speaks in understandable sentences.

I watched part of it in a bar tonight. The whole bar was actually pretty quiet and listening, and there was this one guy who kept yelling whenever Kerry would start to speak...stuff like, "Bullshit!" and "You changed your mind AGAIN, you god damned liar!"

It was annoying as hell.

He was the only idiot in the place yelling at the TV. So the next time Kerry made one of his cogent points (which wasn't very long), I pre-empted the bastard and started cheering loudly. He started to yell again, but I kept saying crap like "Yeah, Bush is going down!" and others joined in with me to shout him down (although I do admit, they joined in halfheartedly, much like Bush's coalition of the willing). It wasn't a big moment, but a few minutes later the asshole walked out apologizing to people. I feel like I did my civic duty tonight.

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hi joe republican--

yes, i do believe that bush is the best person to run the u.s. at this time. i do not want/care to win people over. quite simply, my beliefs are congruent with his!

i think that it would be very interesting to look into who we all are, and that may give others better ideas of why we are voting bush or why we are voting kerry.

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Oh my god, at one point, I remember Kerry actually infer that Bush was a flip-flopper. Man, that's gotta sting!

I'm picturing all the Bush supporters running, panicked, to their favorite right wing web blogs right now, hearts racing, trying to figure out what the talking points are going to be! How do we spin this!!! Aaaah!!!

Laughing

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PamO. wrote:

hi joe republican--

yes, i do believe that bush is the best person to run the u.s. at this time. i do not want/care to win people over. quite simply, my beliefs are congruent with his!

i think that it would be very interesting to look into who we all are, and that may give others better ideas of why we are voting bush or why we are voting kerry.

I personally don't have a problem with people voting for Bush, I'm just curious as to why you think his method is the best? What has he done specifically to convince you that he is going about the war the right way?

Secondly, do you think invading Iraq pre-emptively was correct and if so, would a change of evidence pertaining to the intel change your mind? Would anything change your mind on your opinions pertaining Bush and the upcomming election?

Not meaning to pry, I would just like to know why all of the Bush supporters are backing Bush. I can understand the monetary angle, as well as the spiritual one, but other then that I'm at a loss as to why somebody would vote for Bush. Maybe you can "enlighten" me Very Happy

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Kicky, when a known alcoholic orders a drink people worry. When a social drinker does, they hardly notice.

Btw, there is more opinions about the debate here.

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I'd add that to characterize A2Kers who are Bush supporters as not to bright is not a matter of being rude. It's simply accurate.

Pronouncing the word nuclear incorrectly may appeal to those who posess that aberration.

But I wouldn't defend stupidity by claiming it as wisdom or correct knowledge, even. And to spell out the difference to someone who can't spell is an exercise in futility.

So don't take it personally. But it's a fact that some of us find Mr. Bush and his supporters a bit dull. And it's not that were trying to hurt your feelings. It's just we can't help reaching logical conclusions.

If that's hard for you, perhaps your candidate will win because he's an idiot and then you'll get what you deserve and the rest of us will fight to keep our right and our country.

Four more years of Bush will be quite predictable. And it won't be fun except for satyrists assuming they aren't censored.

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padmasambava wrote:

I'd add that to characterize A2Kers who are Bush supporters as not to bright is not a matter of being rude. It's simply accurate.

Just so you know: This type of Ad Hominem attack will not be tolerated long on this site. If you think you can make a logical argument to support your conclusions, by all means do so with all the fervor you can muster. You should also know that around here; even people who agree with your politics will be disgusted by such childish antics. Why not be a little nicer? Idea

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As you have aptly demonstrated just now, Padmasambava, the occurence of stupidity unfortunately is not limited to only conservative members of this forum, if you'll excuse my French.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Kicky, when a known alcoholic orders a drink people worry. When a social drinker does, they hardly notice.

I'm sorry. I've looked at this a couple times now, and I can't figure out what the hell you're talking about. Laughing

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