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Endorsement Race 2016

 
 
Candlelight8
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2016 08:07 am
@engineer,
You really believe that these "so-called" journalists are reporting? Surely you jest! If I am going to read something, I insist that it have a grain of truth. You used the words "true" and "completely true". You can't be serious. Books are the only print media left. (Non-fiction) Thank you for this opportunity to clarify my earlier comment and for your response. You get very little feed back from responding to posts and it's disappointing. Thank you again, Candlelight8
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2016 08:30 am
@Candlelight8,
Yes, I believe journalists, especially the ones that do their legwork and report their sources. Just about every significant news story from the big international ones to the local interest story comes from the print media. I open the local paper every morning and see reporting on a host of local stories and my local paper is pretty credible. Why do you feel otherwise?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2016 10:34 am
@engineer,
I also believe in the journalists of most major newspapers. They can't afford to lose credibility from their readers to stay in business when print media is already shrinking.
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Candlelight8
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2016 11:22 am
@engineer,
In response to your question, I do not have time to search the world for the reporters who tell only the truth. All too many tell stories slanted for their own bias and benefit. They write what they want the story to be and not necessarily what it is. Most annoyingly, they almost never tell the "whole story". "Trust but verify". If I can't verify, I can't trust. Sources are often misquoted and taken out of context. This changes the meaning of what was said. It fundamentally changes the story. They wish to write the story that makes the most money for them present and future. The truth is not their first consideration. It's just my considered opinion. I'm sorry I don't share your faith in human beings. Your experience has probably been vastly different than mine, especially on the local level. Do not take offense that I don't agree with you. It was not my intent to offend.
Candlelight8
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2016 11:32 am
@Candlelight8,
If you do 't trust the majors, where do you get your info? Fox News?
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2016 12:00 pm
@Candlelight8,
No offense taken. IMO, most reporters are medium to low paid workers with a lot of integrity and pride in their work. The number who intentionally distort the story is very low. Of course most people who get negative stories written about them will say "the press" is lying, but usually they are just trying to escape scrutiny.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2016 01:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
More like the Daily Mail.
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catbeasy
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2016 08:55 am
@Candlelight8,
I do think the mainstream press, for the most part, is reporting "facts". However, they are interpreted through the prism of a particular framework. If you are aware of this, the information they present can be quite informative..I look at commercial advertisements this way..very interesting and different interpretation when you remove yourself from viewing these as a consumer..

Also, it should be noted that there are several reporting avenues whose information must be correct due to a readership who needs the information to make correct decisions related to power and finance. Those reports tend to be "more truthful" or lets just say, less subjective.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 06:44 am
Lots more endorsements over the weekend. Trump now has eight, two more than Johnson who hasn't received any endorsements in October. Clinton sits at 215 with 52 papers not endorsing. Evan McMullin got his first endorsement from the Daily Herald of Provo, Utah.

From the Greenville, NC editorial endorsing Trump
Quote:
It's time to ignore the current overemphasis placed on political correctness and allegations of poor personal conduct — there is enough to go around for both candidates — and focus more on decision-making ability and leadership. Neither candidate is perfect. Clinton's insincerity and mishandling of her emails exhibit her shortcomings.

Trump's no-nonsense approach to the issues is characteristic of the strong leadership that has been sorely lacking in today's challenging times.

It is time to choose Donald Trump.


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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 07:59 am
@giujohn,
I was driving through the rural NC countryside yesterday and it was clearly Trump country. Lots of very large signs.
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 09:16 am
@engineer,
Yeah I'm not so sure that it's all that tight of a race in North Carolina but I guess we'll see. I think they're probably feeling the way most are if it's a choice between crude and kurupt I think most right-thinking people will take crude over corrupt any day.

I just heard that a new poll conducted said that 30% of the people who are considering voting for Hillary are now considering changing their mind.
catbeasy
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 11:49 am
@giujohn,
Choice between crude and corrupt? That's a convenient dichotomous short cut to thinking. Distilling the candidates to this status..hilarious and sad!

Trump is just as corrupt if not worse and in my opinion will become far worse if he gets in office than Hillary ever could be. He is bankrupt of plausible ideas and many of the ideas he does have are evil. He is as dangerous as they come.

Not happy with Hillary either as far as representing the status quo. Though I will say within the framework of our political system, she is 'qualified', far more than Trump who, forgetting about his immoral stances on many things, portends to let his ignorance screw things up far more than anything else..
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 02:06 pm
@catbeasy,
I don't agree with you characterization of trump being corrupt... apparently you don't like how he conducts his business. But he has never held the public trust and violated it for political gain as Billary has done. And as a president-elect or as president he probably won't be under indictment...not so Billary...wait for it...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 02:07 pm
@giujohn,
You mean his history of scamming people is not corrupt?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/even-trumps-charity-is-a-scam/2016/09/14/9463468a-79ee-11e6-bd86-b7bbd53d2b5d_story.html?utm_term=.5df94ab13afa
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 04:02 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

I don't agree with you characterization of trump being corrupt... apparently you don't like how he conducts his business.

You mean not paying honest contractors who worked for his businesses or creating a fake university to get easy money or creating a fake charity fund to evade taxes? Yes, I don't like that.
catbeasy
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 04:23 pm
@giujohn,
No, I don't like how he conducts his business. I think it is immoral and maybe alone would not suffice for an indictment of his fitness to be president in the current climate. I'm sure lots of current politicians do not conduct their business so morally

That however, is not what worries me the most about him. His personality type is megalomaniacal. Off the charts so. It portends that what he cannot do through Congress he would do through back doors. Something every president does to some degree. Trump is likely to do this on steroids. His public face is terrible. He makes fun of handicaps and says he doesn't. He says things and then lies about saying them. Its an interesting psychological technique and one that has some success with the more dim witted of us and for the smarter, those that plug their ears and go na na na na na..

What's really sad is sometimes I wonder if he means anything he says. There's part of me that wonders if his outlandish comments are simply a bid for free air time from the press. But it doesn't matter. He must be taken seriously..

btw, this isn't to say I like anything about the framework of what currently passes for 'American democracy'. Trump is a child of Republican mischief. But the democrats are not blameless either. They serve to prop up our system and have become old school republicans, so much so, that taken as objectively as is possible, Bernie Sanders looks like a socialist! Ha! He is just an old school democrat. A New Deal politician.

And the fact that people ultimately rejected him is a sad testament to how well the politicians have done in creating a moving framework for whatever suits them. To whit: The reason why the Republicans have become bat-**** crazy is because post Reagan, the democrats moved further to the right leaving the Republicans no place to go but further, 'extreme'er 'right lest they show their true colours: One Party. The Business Party.

Trump is no different. He just does his own thing, but is a much viler, lying form of the current politician who at least feel they must co-tow to the people they are supposed to serve on some level. Trump has done the ultimate snow-job making people believe he is for them..
parados
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 04:25 pm
@engineer,
Story out earlier today that Trump is refusing to pay the pollster he hired.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/31/donald-trump-is-refusing-to-pay-his-campaign-pollster-nearly-three-quarters-of-a-million-dollars/

Who would have seen that coming? Rolling Eyes
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 04:50 pm
@parados,
Wow...that's a huge story...think it will knock the email thing off of CNN?😅
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2016 04:52 pm
@parados,
According to Real Clear Politics polls, Hillary is ahead by 3.2%.
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