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Endorsement Race 2016

 
 
giujohn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 01:15 pm
@catbeasy,
Was my speech hateful?You bet it was. As a six-year Army veteran and non-commissioned officer I have a sore spot when it comes to anyone who impugns, detracts, degrades, steals the valour my fellow veterans or uses the memory of a dead hero for personal gain... I don't care if it's his father his mother or whoever it is.

And let me add for those bleeding-heart liberal veterans here or those who are claiming to be veterans who are supporting Hillary for president and who are chastising me for representing veterans of a like mind... the polls seem to be on my side. Veterans/ active duty members who plan to vote beat out Hillary by 19 points in favor of Trump. Do they love Trump? No not all of them... They just hate Hillary more.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 01:20 pm
@giujohn,
By your stance, Pat Smith carries water for Mr. Trump.

I hope you object to that as well.
giujohn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 01:27 pm
@ehBeth,
As far as her being used at the Republican National Convention I most certainly do.
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catbeasy
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 02:03 pm
@giujohn,
You allow yourself to hate based on something that may or may not be true. In doing so you become part of a problem you ostensibly reject.

And I certainly do not understand hating Hilary more than Trump. He is every bit the politician that Hilary is and then some. He expresses contempt for just about everything he doesn't like or understand. I suppose the handicapped person he mocked somehow deserved to be mocked like Mr. Kahn deserves to be hated. Or the women he degrades? Or all the lies he continually mouths, telling everyone he never mocked a handicapped person when its there on video. Or indicating he is for his supporters, because he is just like them? The folks he seeks revenge on for slights. He as all the sporting's of a tyrant dictator.

And even if you could make an argument that somehow they were on the same moral ground (I don't doubt Hilary lies as well), the vote goes to Hilary because she is the more experienced. I'm a realist, I'll take what I can get.

Trump voters trade in their birthright for some Trump porridge. A mishmash of hatred, megalomania, lies, inexperience, revenge and immaturity. And, in my opinion, an instability and naivety that is far more likely to further erode this country's economic viability as well as being destructive to peace. Far more so than Hilary.
giujohn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 02:33 pm
@catbeasy,
Let me be clear because you're assuming that I love Trump and hate Hillary. If it's a choice between crude and corrupt I will take crude over corrupt any day. If it was up to me I would elect Pence president. As far as Hillary is concerned she does not deserve to be president she placed herself above our national interest she exposed our most classified information to bad actors putting operatives and our nation's security in jeopardy. The only logical reason to have the private server was to hide her pay for play scheme with the Clinton Foundation. Nobody deserves a half or three-quarters of a million dollars for one speech. These are the Democrats the ones that are supposed to be the champion of the downtrodden the poor and the disaffected but yet we have these two criminals lining their pockets through donations of foreign governments and big business... And all the bleeding heart liberals who will vote for her have to be just as hypocritical in order to do so. She was in the position of public trust and she violated that trust. She furthered this criminal enterprise while on the public dime... my tax dollars at work. She belongs in Danbury Federal Prison.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 02:40 pm
@giujohn,
Fortunately for everybody except for Trump supporters like you, it's not up to 'you.'
370 Economists say Trump will be a danger to our economy. I agree. Trump may have attended Wharton, but his ideas about tariffs will destroy our economy. It will increase the cost of everything, and the poor and middle class will suffer.
http://time.com/4555032/economists-against-donald-trump/
giujohn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 02:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
370... Wow... I'm underwhelmed.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 02:52 pm
@giujohn,
You're right: it now stands at Clinton 258, Trump 163. It will be a miracle if Trump catches up.
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catbeasy
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 04:27 pm
@giujohn,
I never assumed you loved Trump. I was talking about the choice between the two. My opinion being that Trump is the worse.

I don't buy that Trump isn't corrupt. You are making that dichotomy in your own head. Trump isn't just crude, if megalomaniacal means anything, it's him. Hillary is dangerous, but not megalomaniacal. Not self aggrandizing to the extent that Trump is. In your dichotomy, you assume that Trump will not do the 'bad' things that Hillary does. I see that he will do worse. Part of the reason is his inexperience. Part of the reason is because he has shown that he will pursue his own fantasies at the expense of..whatever happens to get in the way.

Hillary and our govt have their problems. Trump is those problems on steroids. You think Hillary broke the law? Trump says he'll brake the law. He wants to torture people, a clear violation of the law, regardless of whether you think its justified or not. He wants to murder people, clearly a violation of the law (killing terrorists families). He wants to discriminate against people. The types of stuff he wants to do to prevent terrorism to 'make us safe' are asinine and will only serve to make things worse. It always does, it is human nature. Predictable, inexorable. And when the **** hits the fan, he'll blame everyone but himself.

I believe he'll run the gov't like his reality show, for his own aggrandizement. You think Hilary broke laws? A trump in office is likely not to take 'no' from congress and will just get much of what he wants done through back doors. Reagan was good at this until he got caught funneling funds to Nicaragua - actually he wasn't caught, he just waved his head a lot and side, we'll, I don't know, I don't recall and others took the fall.

Trump's not capable of clear thought. He's capable of denying things as a methodology to fool people, he has the countenance of a bad dictator. Because at some level those techniques work. Its a psychological technique known since we've had writing. And yes, other politicians lie, but at least they cop to it when shown the video!!!

My opinion, Hillary, any given President could bring disaster to us in the form of war or bad economic/foreign policy, but Trump, if not kept in check will likely bring it to us in spades.

McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 08:55 pm
@catbeasy,
I would enjoy seeing you and Glenn have a nice sit down chat on here.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2016 09:14 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
I'm underwhelmed.


Also under educated. A typical tRump advocate.
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engineer
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 10:17 am
If you wonder about editorial page independence in these days of large media conglomerates, this is somewhat scary.

Quote:
The talk coming from the Florida Times-Union newsroom is being confirmed by First Coast News: Jacksonville’s daily paper will endorse Donald Trump this weekend.

Sources tell FCN — and have told FloridaPolitics.com independently — the endorsement is a “a top-down directive from Morris [Communications],” the parent company of the Florida Times-Union.

Those who have questioned the Jacksonville paper’s ultimate editorial independence in the past no doubt will do so again.

T-U editor Frank Denton confirmed the endorsement in an email: “Yes, the endorsement will be published Sunday. Will Morris, president of our parent company, will be putting a statement up on Morris.com very soon. Please read that.”

The endorsement is interesting, given that it conflicts with the avowedly centrist leanings of the editorial board on many issues in recent years. And because it conflicts with most of the paper’s reporters, who privately are very skeptical of Trump’s populist appeals. And especially given the conflict the Trump endorsement creates for the paper’s female reporters, many of whom take issue with Trump’s use of language and idioms that many people who live in the 21st century see as sexist.

Those familiar with the endorsement have said it is framed as a rejection of the corruption of the Hillary Clinton campaign, and that the endorsement obscures any faults that Trump may have.

The Florida Times-Union will be the second high-profile major metro paper to endorse Trump.

The first: the Las Vegas Review-Journal, owned by Sheldon Adelson, who has poured millions of dollars into the Trump campaign,

In a statement Friday, Morris Communications CEO W.S. Morris IV said Trump endorsements would run in all of the company’s Sunday papers.
catbeasy
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 03:57 pm
@McGentrix,
Who is Glenn? giujohn?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 04:00 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
In a statement Friday, Morris Communications CEO W.S. Morris IV said Trump endorsements would run in all of the company’s Sunday papers.


Here's a guy supporting a pathological liar, misogynist, and racial bigot. WS Morris IV must fall in the same group of trash.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 04:01 pm
@catbeasy,
catbeasy wrote:

Who is Glenn? giujohn?

If they aren't the same person there's not a hairsbreadth of difference in the stuff they foist.
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 04:11 pm
@catbeasy,
I belive Glennn is a stand alone. I doubt giujohn could simulate the sense of humor. The member name is spelled with three n's, by the way.
giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 05:34 pm
I am not Glenn but he sounds extremely intelligent and probably ruggedly handsome.
giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 5 Nov, 2016 05:37 pm
@giujohn,
As for humor I have been known to humor Roger.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 02:06 pm
Well one thing we should all be able to agree upon is that endorsements don't mean squat.
catbeasy
 
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Reply Thu 10 Nov, 2016 02:18 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I think that was more fodder for Trump supporters to continue their support of Trump..Newspapers turned into 'traitors' and/or were seen as 'part of the establishment'. Their support for Hillary (and not someone else) sealed it..
 

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