Why Is The US Fighting Assad In Syria?

I'll let you go down this particular flight of fancy on your own.

That is my prerogative.

Who would they put in charge? Or would they be in charge?

No one group, (Assad, FSA, IS or others,) has the capability or resources to stay in charge.

Peace requires a consensus of the people living there, not USA, Russia, Saudi Arabia or Iran.

The only people left in Syria are fighters.

Would that be a fair election representative of the people?

That's simply not true.

This picture was taken a few days ago regarding the evacuation of Darayya. Note the women and children in the photograph.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37197933

Total population of Syria 22 million

Number displaced by war 12 million since the last count.

Are these people coming or going, leaving or returning?

Take the picture from the front of the line and I look like they are coming.

An "evacuation" simply means more are leaving and being displaced continually.

14 Sep 2015 16:09 GMT | Refugees, Middle East, Syria.
Syria had a population of 22 million people back in 2011. But there's a very different picture now after four years of a brutal civil war. Twelve million people have been forced from their homes – that's more than half the population.

That figure was taken in 2015 (a year ago) average of 4 million displaced per year since the war has escalated the number is probably much higher.

So the civilians left in Syria are more worried about food and water rather than voting for the next dignitary.

You said there were no civilians in Syria. That is not true. If you want to know about the photo follow the link provided.

The fact remains, lasting peace in Syria can only be achieved through discourse with all relevant parties, whether or not those people have been displaced. Assad can not remain in power if the peace is to last regardless of how those outside of Syria feel. The Allawites do need a voice, but it has to be someone other than Assad.

Okay Izzy, would you go and vote if you hadn't had water in a week? Would you go cheerfully and vote if your child was blown to bits while sleeping? That is my point. YAY, let's go vote! (cynical)

Millions are displaced and out of the country and you seem to think voting places grow on trees and are not fraught with perils.

So let's say 20% of Syria gets to a voting booth before they collapse of utter exhaustion, thirst and starvation.

This comes to the question I asked which you seem to have missed the whole point.? Is this remnant in Syria representative of Syria's whole population?

Like Germany in World War 2, by the time the opposition arrived in Germany the only people who had not fled Germany or been exterminated were Germany's rich and starving elite racists and German surrendering fighters. So let's hold an election! LOL!

List of armed groups in the Syrian Civil War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

There are a lot of fighting factions who have displaced the civilian population too who have political stakes in how the Syrians vote.

Many people here in the US it takes hours to get to voting stations and then there is the long wait... (how convenient if they are liberal democrats)

Athens activist cautions of 3-hour bus rides with new voting precincts
http://onlineathens.com/blog-post/nick-coltrain/2013-09-26/athens-activist-cautions-3-hour-bus-rides-new-voting-precincts#

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As long as you don't mind voting at gunpoint you can vote in Syria... (cynical)

The logistics of voting in Syria would be a nightmare. Address that point please. Let's hope the free bus service is up and running all day in Syria.
Again, "Would this be a fair representation of the Syrian people" after all is said and done?

I say, "No."

There might as well be no Syrians there if the vote is that corrupted and coerced.

Remember Iraq when every single Iraqi voted for Saddam? lol

This Iraqi government held elections on January 30, 2005 to begin the process of writing a constitution. International groups and the formerly excluded factions claimed that the January 2005 elections were the first free elections in Iraq's history, with a fair representation of all groups. This is in stark contrast to previous elections. After the 16 October 2002 referendum on the extension of his role as President, Saddam Hussein claimed that 100% of the voters voted "yes" and that 100% of Iraqi's had voted (approximately 24,001,820 people).

This whole conversation is pointless. Either you don't understand what I'm saying or choose not to. You have made statements that are simply not true, and seem to think than a joint Russian/American imposed peace will work. It won't.

When I was talking about consensus between the groups I wasn't talking about a plebiscite. It's impractical and ridiculous right now. I was talking about representatives from each group meeting and thrashing something out. Until that happens there will not be a lasting peace.

We either make peace or expand the war.
What would you suggest we do?

Support the UN peace initiative, they at least know what's going on.

Why is it always either or with you? Some things aren't black and white.

Explain how the Syrian government doesn't have the capability or resources to be in charge.

So if a majority of Syrians vote for Assad, you're okay with that?

Their reliance on Russia just to stay in control.



Assad is an Alawite, the majority of Syrians are Sunni Arab. The majority would not vote for Assad.

And as I've already pointed out, a plebiscite is out of the question now.

The problem with this thread is it's chock full of hypothetical scenarios that don't stand up to any scrutiny.

So before ISIS made their appearance in Syria, and before these rebels began their uprising, the only thing keeping the Syrian government in control of the country were the Russians?

And yet in their 2014 election, he won a majority of the vote.

Are you of the opinion that the "moderate" rebels represent the people of Syria?

The election was held in an area he controlled. The people voting were Alawite.

The FSA represent the mainstream Sunni Arab population. No one group represents all the people, that's the point.

The Sunni outnumbered the Shiites in Iraq though a Shiite was elected as their first president, how does that happen?

Then the death squads...

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A death squad is an armed group that conducts extrajudicial killings or forced disappearances of persons for the purposes of political repression, genocide, or revolutionary terror. These killings are often conducted in ways meant to ensure the secrecy of the killers' identities.

But the TV coverage of the election switched from location to location, showing voters waving the Syrian flag, chanting Assad’s name and in almost every part of Syria. It was only in the province of Raqqa that there was no voting.

But these "moderate" rebels behave as animals, cutting the head off a young boy while he was still alive, and other atrocious behavior.

So before ISIS made their appearance in Syria, and before these rebels began their uprising, the only thing keeping the Syrian government in control of the country were the Russians?

You believe what you want.

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