How will Trump handle losing the election?

@cicerone imposter,

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It's easy to conclude why people like you supports Trump.

It is an amazing belief system you have to believe I support Trump. I must have stated more than 100 times on this forum how I dislike both Trump and Hitlary.

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Nate Silver has depressed me since the primaries have been over. While he still puts Clinton ahead, it is so filled with uncertainties my stomach starts it tensing...I think in the end I am going to have to see a doctor about it. Apparently it is the undeciders who might decide to go to a third party who will end up giving the Presidency to Trump. If nothing else we will know who to blame but that will be small consolation when our country goes down the tubes.

Election Update: The Campaign Is Almost Over, And Here’s Where We Stand

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Trump campaign and Republicans paid $1.8m to companies mired in voter fraud claims
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/trump-campaign-and-republicans-paid-18m-to-companies-mired-in-voter-claims
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Donald Trump’s campaign and the Republican National Committee (RNC) have paid at least $1.8m to a political operative whose roster of companies include several that have been repeatedly investigated for voter registration fraud, even as Trump has complained that the election is rigged against him.

Three employees of Strategic Allied Consulting, a firm owned by conservative operative Nathan Sproul, pleaded guilty in Florida four years ago to felony charges related to altering and destroying scores of voter registration forms. There were no formal actions against the firm.

Yet recent federal campaign finance reports reviewed by Associated Press show Sproul is now back on the RNC’s payroll, this time with a firm named Lincoln Strategy Group, a renamed version of his former firm Sproul & Associates, an Arizona-based firm that was investigated for alleged voter registration misconduct in Nevada and Oregon.

Although Sproul was never charged in the 2012 Florida case, GOP officials and Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign considered the charges against his employees alone serious enough to fire his company in 2012. The chairman of the RNC said this week he didn’t know Sproul’s firm has been rehired. Neither the Republican party nor the Trump campaign would discuss the specifics of the work Sproul or the firm is doing and in what states.

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@ossobucotemp,

We're still friends and that what matters.

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Imagining that Trump will be delighted to serve others (ie the nation) is like hoping that a shark comes to help push your surfboard faster.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Imagining that Trump will be delighted to serve others (ie the nation) is like hoping that a shark comes to help push your surfboard faster.

If the unthinkable happens and Trump wins, he will probably be more than happy to (as much as is possible)just make vanity appearances and let Pence make all the decisions.

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@blatham,

In one of the pieces on The 180 on the CBC this morning, there was some discussion about how problematic both candidates may find Washington when elected.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/the180/this-election-doesn-t-matter-the-case-to-stop-changing-the-clocks-and-the-problem-of-dna-as-proof-of-culture-1.3834912

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"This is the most important election of our lifetimes."

So says Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Paul Ryan.
Also former Republican presidential nominee candidate Ben Carson.
And Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
And Barbara Streisand.

But to Jeff Cox, finance editor at CNBC.com, this may be the least important election in a generation.

Cox says that neither candidate will be able to change much in American society, and the hyper-partisan nightmare scenarios won't come to pass.

"'The most important election of our lifetime' has become the biggest political cliché of our lifetime. Every four years we go through this whole exercise. And really, I guess sometimes it's true, but in this particular election it's just not."

To Cox, because the two candidates are both disliked by a good number of Americans, neither of them will have the political support to get much done, if elected.

"These are the two most universally despised candidates that I've ever seen in a presidential election. So, if you have this high level of distaste, and this near-certainty for gridlock ahead of you, there's no way this could be the most important election of our lifetime, in fact I think it could be an extremely inconsequential election and the winner could well just be a placeholder for the next four years until we get to the real candidates in 2020."

But, you may ask, how can can the election be inconsequential when Trump-supporting militia groups are preparing for violence?

Meh, says Cox.

"We've certainly become a more polarized country there's no doubt about that. But the idea of these militia members rising, this is not a new thing. This goes back to Bill Clinton's administration when these 'freemen' up in Montana were going to launch a full-scale attack on the US government. And that's never happened. And Clinton coming and kicking in the doors and taking all your weapons away from you, to me just goes along with all the hysteria that I've heard for the last 8 years that Barack Obama was going to declare martial law. You just get these things because of the rise of social media. These things have already been out there but they just get pushed farther and farther to the forefront."

Cox's message for Canadians is to relax, recognize that America is just doing it's election thing, and the sun will still rise on November 9.

10 minute podcast

worth a listen

(full transcript will likely be online tomorrow)

The 180 is terrific for offering alternate opinions - you don't have to agree to think Smile

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Apparently it is the undeciders who might decide to go to a third party who will end up giving the Presidency to Trump. If nothing else we will know who to blame but that will be small consolation when our country goes down the tubes.

Well, I think it's a stretch to blame someone who couldn't decide between the two more than someone who actually voted for Trump.

Simple math, there.

Take my advice, though, and don't publicly blame anyone.
Political correctness isn't going anywhere.
It will just come in a new form you will like even less.

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@Kolyo,

Anyone who voted did their civic duty.

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@Kolyo,

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How will Trump handle losing the election?

Like his followers are handling the slowly dawning reality that they're losing....
Deny and lie, lie lie.

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@snood,

Most polls already show Clinton winning.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Most polls already show Clinton winning.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/

It ain't over till it's over, but generally she's been holding on to her lead and is projected to hold it through Tuesday.

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@snood,

Key word is "winning," not 'won.'

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@ehBeth,

Thanks beth. The "this is the most important election ever!" notion is problematic in the manner he suggests. We can be prone to over-dramatization of the present. On the other hand though, if we disallow the possibility of it being an accurate assessment, we are, at important points in time, going to get it wrong. And that's dangerous too.

When this precise point came up in the earlier podcast, I thought Williams had it right. Part of my rationale involves the bolded portion you quoted and the devolution of governing norms. I know you've read Ornstein and Mann. It is worse than we thought.

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@revelette2,

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That don't make no sense

It's simple math.

Someone who actually votes for Trump does more damage to Clinton's election chances than someone who doesn't vote at all.

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I haven't great trust in polls because of the silence of non-polled people. I get it they can be helpful, and also can be harmful, whether right or wrong, pushing the vote in varied directions.

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@ossobucotemp,

Yeah, the totally miss the old curmudgeons that hang up when they hear a recorded phone message. Like me.

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@roger,

You too! LOL Got one from a politician in Sacramento. click.

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What will Trump do if he loses? Reporting by the Times suggests that Trump's campaign people are disallowing him to do his normal twitter stuff and are writing for him or censoring his tendencies. That reporting is credible because Trump's tweets over the last two weeks or so are quite unlike what preceded.

That same reporting has it that Trump has wanted to attack those he sees as his enemies, using twitter if not speeches.

If that is accurate, then we might expect Trump after the election when many of the controls now apparently in on him will be gone and he could go a bit apeshit. I can't say I expect this but it wouldn't surprise.

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