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How will Trump handle losing the election?

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 01:28 pm
@ehBeth,
Easy enough to renovate and convert to a walk-in closet for her winter wardrobe.

(ps... speaking of which, Jane's up for a visit, arriving Monday)
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 01:29 pm
@blatham,
Hopefully, if there is any hope to be had, they won't be around to stop anything. They shouldn't be, if any other employee says they are not going to do their job, they would be fired. They don't have confirm any justice, but letting the seat or seats as the probably will be, remain vacant is just irresponsible to the Americans who depend on the Supreme Court to settle justice. The people vote for the choice of president knowing the president is the one to nominate the choice of justice for the Supreme Court. To say ahead of time they just won't take any choice is denying the will of the people and denying justice to the American people. Completely typical of the rabid republicans. This is republicans covering their butts because they nominated such a boob for their choice as President. This way they can say they didn't vote for Trump but at the same time, they can say they will take away the new President's role as president.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 01:34 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
irresponsible to the Americans

I think we'd better disabuse ourselves of any notion that this modern Republican party has any functional capacity to conceive that anyone outside of themselves in power might be legitimate. Popular will is completely irrelevant. Past codes and traditions are irrelevant.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 01:40 pm
For those suddenly in fright mode re Nov 8, Ed Kilgore has a good piece up right now on what it would take for Trump to get to 270. http://nym.ag/2dZFAHa
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 01:42 pm
@blatham,
Given the current balance in the SCOTUS and some useful recent decisions, I'm good with that (are the Republicans even looking at those recent decisions?).
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 01:53 pm
@blatham,
Is your memory so short that you've forgotten how obstructive the Democrats have been in Congressional past times? The Republicans are hardly alone in believing their own **** doesn't stink.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 02:08 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Is your memory so short that you've forgotten how obstructive the Democrats have been in Congressional past times? The Republicans are hardly alone in believing their own **** doesn't stink.


Hey look everybody, once again the man who consistently out classes, out smarts and generally does all sorts of things too cerebral for the unwashed and unworthy to grasp, has gifted us another brilliant observation superbly crafted in a style that would make Tennessee Williams swoon. Well done, sir! Well done!
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 02:18 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Given the current balance in the SCOTUS and some useful recent decisions, I'm good with that (are the Republicans even looking at those recent decisions?).

I think they're banking on the court flipping again when there's more attrition among the Justices. If I recall correctly, the two oldest judges were appointed by Democrats.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 02:32 pm
@McGentrix,
Good god, man. Find me an earlier instance where any Dem at any time has said anything remotely close to what Chaffetz has said. You cannot get away with a glib claim of equivalence.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 02:33 pm
@DrewDad,
Quote:
I think they're banking on the court flipping again when there's more attrition among the Justices. If I recall correctly, the two oldest judges were appointed by Democrats.

Yes, surely that is part of the strategy.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 02:39 pm
@DrewDad,
They were already counting on it ... before Scalia died.

They learned that they can't count on the oldest one to die first.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 02:43 pm
@glitterbag,
Seriously, does he live on the same planet?
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 02:58 pm
@blatham,
Thank you, I need a regular dose of common sense to keep me on a even keel lately.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 03:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I don't know, but I would assume the air is rarified.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 03:39 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
They were already counting on it ... before Scalia died.

Yes.

It may not need to be said but the conservatives' seriousness (by which I mean the acute and extremist level of concern/activism) re the Supreme Court is just another aspect of their understanding that the mass of citizens will are unlikely to vote Republican at the national level. Thus to manipulate or gather power, they have to turn elsewhere. The courts are one area where they have turned to implement their ideological goals. That is really what the Federalist Society is all about, for example.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 03:43 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
Thank you, I need a regular dose of common sense to keep me on a even keel lately.

You're welcome. We Canadians burned down your White House once but it is really quite a bother and we'd prefer not to work quite that hard. So we help out as convenience permits.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 04:00 pm
Many of us are a little frightened (or a lot frightened) by a bunch of stuff happening in US politics and culture right now. What frightens me more than anything else is the warping of so many minds through the fostering of fear and hatred. Watch this Samantha Bee interview with Obama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0yONlMjxjs

How can it be that so many Americans now have a complete inability to perceive the qualities of this man? His intelligence, his equanimity, his good-heartedness and lack of malice? This frightens me more than anything else because of the broad consequences of their minds functioning as they now do.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 04:39 pm
@blatham,
That's what's so frightening about mindless hate. It robs you of your humanity, and if you see him with children he radiated enjoyment. Counter that with a fat guy in a poorly fitting suit and a tie that hangs down to his knees who grimaces and threatens and the crowd goes wild. I'm way too old to harbor hate, frankly so is everybody else
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 04:44 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Good god, man. Find me an earlier instance where any Dem at any time has said anything remotely close to what Chaffetz has said. You cannot get away with a glib claim of equivalence.


Maybe this document will help stir your memories.

Let me make a few quotes for the link impaired.
Quote:
A fundamental objective of congressional oversight is to hold executive
officials accountable for the implementation of delegated authority. This
objective is especially important given the huge expansion of executive
influence in the modern era …. Clearly, given the role and scope of the
federal establishment, the importance of Congress’s review function
looms large in checking and monitoring the delegated authority that it
grants to federal departments and agencies.


Quote:
During the Bush Administration, Congressional Democrats were vocal advocates
for fulfillment of this oversight responsibility. Leading up to the 2006 Congressional
midterm elections, Congressional Democrats decried what they viewed as the
Republican-led Majority’s “blind eye to the problems created in the executive branch.”7

Central to the House of Representatives’ oversight powers is the Committee on
Oversight and Government Reform (“Oversight Committee”). The Oversight Committee
is the main investigative committee in the U.S. House of Representatives and has the
authority to conduct oversight of virtually everything the federal government does.8

During the first six years of the Bush Administration, the Ranking Member of the
Committee, Rep. Henry Waxman, “established himself as the Democrats' chief pursuer of
purported wrongdoing within the Bush Administration” and became known as “the
Democrats’ Eliot Ness” for his barrage of reports on Executive Branch activities,
information requests from the Administration, and hearing requests to the Oversight
Committee’s Majority.


Quote:
When the Democrats regained Congress in the 2006 elections, Rep. Waxman
became Chairman, and the Congressional obligation to conduct vigorous oversight of the
Executive Branch became a central priority of Congressional Democrats. In February
2007, Chairman Waxman told The New York Times that “There has been no cop on the
beat. And when there is no cop on the beat, criminals are more willing to engage in
crimes.”13 Without constant Congressional oversight, Chairman Waxman said, “the bad
actors feel they can get away with anything.”14
Following the 2006 elections, it was in noted in Time magazine that, “Come
January … the man that the liberal Nation magazine once called the "Eliot Ness of the
Democrats" can do even more, thanks to the two words that strike fear in the heart of
every government official: subpoena power. As the new chairman of the House
Government Reform Committee, Waxman will have free rein to investigate, as he puts it,
‘everything that the government is involved with.’”15 In an interview, Chairman
Waxman seemed to relish the power of the subpoena, asking “Do they want to litigate
this? If we’re doing our constitutional duty of oversight, how can they refuse to give us
information? If they withhold information and try to get away with it, I think it will be
very unfortunate for them.”


There is so much more, please go read the whole document and then tell me some more stories of how "unprecedented" it would be.
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2016 04:58 pm
@blatham,
It doesn't have close caption, but I know Obama is classy, his whole family is and as President, in my mind, he has been a joy to watch, see and hear. I do not think there is a broad view of those who do not admire this president.
 

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