Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

Betrayal! That's it! Apparently an awful lot of people out there who will maybe be getting their hundred dollare rebate don't feel they've had a tax cut at all - because their other taxes have gone up. And the House was just too busy with medicare to get to that coverage of the 6.5 million children they said they would.

And morale in Iraq is not high at all. The rewards of betrayal are not pretty. Already george is showing sins of needing botox, and if Rummy keeps wringing his hands they'll come off at the wrists. Cheney just keeps eating.

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A new, longer version of the video of Bush in the Florida classroom on the morning of September 11, 2001 and how he reacted for several minutes after being informed of the second WTC impact has surfaced.

It's at the The Memory Hole. Go watch it.

In the first few seconds of the video, Bush is informed by Chief of Staff Andrew Card that "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack."

And the guy just sits there. For five solid minutes.

The White House admits that Bush fully understood what was happening. So keep this in mind while watching: in New York, as these long, precious minutes slowly tick by, people are burning horribly, people are jumping 100 stories to their deaths, and more planes are very likely headed for other targets (the Pentagon, for example, as it turned out).

Bush sits, doing nothing.

Fighter planes desperately need scrambling. The Pentagon not yet been hit. A grave national emergency is happening at that moment.

Five. Solid. Freaking. Minutes.

Watch the video.

And while you do, remember that morning. Remember where you were, how desperately you wanted to help, and how instantly you would have leapt to action given any opportunity to defend this country.

When the footage ends, Bush is still not moving, although we can hear the press being told the photo-op is over. Eyewitness accounts indicate that he continued to do virtually nothing for at least another several minutes.

Keep in mind that nearly thirty minutes later, Bush finally leaves the elementary school and heads for Air Force One, and then high-tails it like a scalded cat to Louisiana, then Nebraska. Remember how odd that seemed at the time. Keep in mind that a docudrama currently being filmed has the character played by Bush insisting to be transported back to Washington--a complete historical revision.

Keep in mind that this man is still fighting tooth-and-nail to suppress a full public disclosure of exactly what happened that day.

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That yellow streak down Bush's back loomed large on 9/11.

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Here's another good one on GWBush. http://www.geocities.com/gwbushart/gallery34/gallery34.htm
c.i.

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http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/dayof911.html

Quote:

(9:06 a.m.) Bush is in a Booker Elementary School second-grader classroom. His chief of staff, Andrew Card, enters the room and whispers into his ear, "A second plane hit the other tower, and America's under attack." [New York Times, 9/16/01 (B)] [9:05, New York Times, 9/16/01 (B), 9:05, Telegraph, 12/16/01, 9:05, Albuquerque Tribune, 9/10/02, 9:07, Washington Times, 10/8/02, ABC News reporter Ann Compton, who is in the room, says she is struck "So much so that I [write] it down in my reporter's notebook, by my watch, 9:07 a.m.," ABC News, 9/11/02] Intelligence expert James Bamford describes Bush's reaction: "Immediately [after Card speaks to Bush] an expression of befuddlement passe[s] across the President's face. Then, having just been told that the country was under attack, the Commander in Chief appear[s] uninterested in further details. He never ask[s] if there had been any additional threats, where the attacks were coming from, how to best protect the country from further attacks.... Instead, in the middle of a modern-day Pearl Harbor, he simply turn[s] back to the matter at hand: the day's photo op." [Body of Secrets, James Bamford, 4/02 edition, p. 633] Bush continues listening to the goat story. Then, in an event noticeable in its absence, as one newspaper put it, "For some reason, Secret Service agents [do] not bustle him away." [Globe and Mail, 9/12/01] Bush later says of the experience, "I am very aware of the cameras. I'm trying to absorb that knowledge. I have nobody to talk to. I'm sitting in the midst of a classroom with little kids, listening to a children's story and I realize I'm the Commander in Chief and the country has just come under attack." [Telegraph, 12/16/01] Bush continues to listen to the goat story for about ten more minutes (see (9:06 - 9:16 a.m.)). The reason given is that, "Without all the facts at hand, George Bush ha[s] no intention of upsetting the schoolchildren who had come to read for him." [MSNBC, 10/29/02]

He knew about the first WTC plane crash, but at that time everyone thought it was an accident.

Quote:

(9:16 a.m.) Bush leaves the Sarasota classroom where he has been since about 9:03. The children finish their lessons and put away their readers. [Sarasota Magazine, 9/19/01] Bush advises the children to stay in school and be good citizens. [Tampa Tribune, 9/1/02, St. Petersburg Times, 9/8/02 (B)] He also tells the children, "Thank you all so very much for showing me your reading skills." [ABC News, 9/11/02] One student also asks Bush a question, and Bush gives a quick response on his education policy. [New York Post, 9/12/02] A reporter asks, "Mr. President, are you aware of the reports of the plane crash in New York? Is there any..." This question is interrupted by an aide who has come into the room, saying, "All right. Thank you. If everyone could please step outside." Bush then says, "We'll talk about it later." [CBS, 9/11/02 (B)] Bush then tells school principal Gwen Tose-Rigell, who is in the room, about the terror attacks and why he has to leave. [Washington Times, 10/7/02] He then goes into an empty classroom next door and meets with his staff there. [ABC News, 9/11/02] Bush's program with the children was supposed to start at 9:00 and end 20 minutes later. [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/16/01]

I don't know if that site is pro- or anti-Bush, but it doesn't really matter. They have an amazingly complete listing of what happened on that day. Their main page is here:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/

Just laying out the facts. How you absorb them is another matter.

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That's site's been around for a while and is very useful, McG. Paul Thompson (I think that's his name) decided that there had to be a timeline based not on conspiracy theories but on mainstream, verifiable reports. He's done a good job. I'd say he's photographed the emperor and the emperor is naked. What do you think?

With respect to the sentences you've added color to, there is nothing wrong or unexpected when a VIP gets to his feet and says, "I have to take an important phone call. I'm sorry to have to leave so early," and take off. It's done all the time, alarms no one -- not even cute, photogenic Florida schoolchildren.

(Before leaving his hotel and going to the school, he read through the morning security report which contained information about a threat, and passed it along with no comment or proposed action.)

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And then, afterwards, he didn't come to New York City until a week later. Both Clintons came immediately, as did Giuliani.

This is not a well person.

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Here's Andrew Greeley's take on the Bush mess in the Chicago Sun Times -- I think it closes the door on any further defense of Bush:

...The point is that, however sincere they were, they did deceive. They were just plain wrong. The president was just plain wrong. People who make such terrible mistakes should not be retained in office. In large corporations, officials who make similar errors in judgment are discarded (usually with a fat purse in their pocket). The whole chicken-hawk cabal should be swept out of office. In American politics, this is usually accomplished by congressional investigation. However, given the Bush administration's propensity to stonewall and cover up and the pro-administration bias of much of the media, full-scale investigation is unlikely. Despite token movements in that direction, the mantra ''national security'' will be invoked to prevent investigation. Just now the federal government can do almost anything it wants.

It must be emphasized that while lies are immoral, bad judgment at the senior level of government--being so utterly wrong--is intolerable and dangerous in a nuclear world.

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very well stated

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And take a look at what Ted Rall has to say about this -- slamming another door in the faces of Bush defenders:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0627-02.htm

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Here's a nice, neat, damning mini-history of the CIA's (and the administration's) assessments of the Iraq "threat":

http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold06272003.html

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washingtonpost.com

Road Map in the Back Seat?

By Al Kamen

Friday, June 27, 2003; Page A27

Imagine our surprise Wednesday to read in the Israeli paper Haaretz (online), that Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen, meeting recently with militants to enlist their support for a truce with Israel, said that, when they met in Aqaba, President Bush had told him this: " God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [ Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

So who needs to find WMD or a link with al Qaeda when the orders come from The Highest Authority?

Two calls to the White House for clarification went unreturned, but colleague Glenn Kessler did some digging. The Haaretz reporter, Arnon Regular, read what the paper said were minutes of the Palestinians' meeting to Kessler and another colleague, who is an Arabic speaker.

The Arabic-speaking colleague's translation, was this: "God inspired me to hit al Qaeda, and so I hit it. And I had the inspiration to hit Saddam, and so I hit him. Now I am determined to solve the Middle East problem if you help. Otherwise the elections will come and I will be wrapped up with them."

Even then, there's uncertainty. After all, this is Abu Mazen's account in Arabic of what Bush said in English, written down by a note-taker in Arabic, then back into English.

But one thing seems consistent: The election season is going to be a huge distraction from the Road Map, something the White House has always insisted would not be the case.

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None of this closes any door. The only time a door will start to close is when Congress starts asking the hard questions, and the public gets aroused. I don't mean to sound skeptical about this, but Watergate is a good example in history to look back on. It took a long while to convince Congress and the people that Nixon had done wrong, and to start adding the questions to the answers. And maybe this isn't such a bad thing. Once that process really starts, then it continues. My feeling about this is that things are now set into motion. More and more questions are being asked publicly, and now more people are beginning are beginning to come forward with stories. The Wh is now on the defensive about many things, and once you have to start explaining things, you lose the momentum.

There's a big difference between this and Watergate. Nixon did accomplish some good stuff, despite all the other things that brought him down. As of now, the administration has had a short term of office in which they've managed to dissipate a large budget surplus, involve us in a disastrous continuing conflict, and try to dismantle the government.

The new Supreme Court decisions have not gone along with the WH, and evidence is coming forth about Bush's term as Texas Governor, what was and wasn't done (that was his only political experience), and Gonzales' role in determining death sentences. And all that is just for starters.

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You're right of course about door closing. I really meant here in these discussions.

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What a maroon....

Meeting last month at a sweltering U.S. base outside Doha, Qatar, with his top Iraq commanders, President Bush skipped quickly past the niceties and went straight to his chief political obsession: Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Turning to his Baghdad proconsul, Paul Bremer, Bush asked, "Are you in charge of finding WMD?" Bremer said no, he was not. Bush then put the same question to his military commander, General Tommy Franks. But Franks said it wasn't his job either. A little exasperated, Bush asked, So who is in charge of finding WMD? After aides conferred for a moment, someone volunteered the name of Stephen Cambone, a little-known deputy to Donald Rumsfeld, back in Washington.

Pause. "Who?" Bush asked.

Who Lost the WMD?

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PDid, I read your first sentence as, "what a moran," but when I reread it, it came out "maroon." Anticipation is not good. LOL c.i.

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I was quoting Bugs Bunny, there, c.i.... :wink:

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GEORGE BUSH LIED?
This is the current favorite of the left. The word is out. Keep repeating the idea that George Bush intentionally lied to the American people in order to get them to support a war to 86 Saddam Hussein.

You do know the definition of a lie, don't you? A lie is a statement made with knowledge, at the time the statement was made, that it was not true. The key here is that you had to know the statement to be untrue at the time you made it in order for that statement to be categorized as a lie. If, for instance, If I told you last week that Katherine Hepburn was going to be a guest on my show this Wednesday, that statement would not have been a lie. I did not know, at the time I made that statement, that Katherine Hepburn would be taking the eternal celestial dirt nap by this Wednesday.

In order to reinforce my point, let me give you some examples of actual lies.

"I didn't have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky." Sorry, Monica doesn't appear to be skilled enough to induce long-term memory loss in the objects of her oral affections. That statement was known to be true to the utterer at the time of the utterance. A lie.

"I don't have those Rose Law Firm billing records." Yeah, right. Then those records turn up in her office with her fingerprints and handwriting all over them. A deliberate lie, known to be untrue when said.

Lesson over.

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Yes. Bush is a Paragon of truth and honesty. Embarrassed

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McG

Yes, bringing up Monica is a very original maneuver in this context and we thank you for that. Great site you've linked too...big fat ad for Ann Coulter's new book...links to Sowell....lots of red/white/blue stars flickering.

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