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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:03 pm
well, yeah Wink
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:09 pm
I can't figure you guys out. Dys, is that you in the avatar? Snood? Are you the hunk? Sofia, that you? And as for Cicerone... Guess I'm gonna hafta go look for a picture which, uh, represents me.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:18 pm
My avatar is definitely me. My current lover is Robert Redford. He, for some reason, goes by the name of Maxdadeo.

If snood had chosen a picture from Training Day, I might be barking up his tree. (Although, we'd be completely unable to discuss politics...)

I am seriously anticipating Tartarin's cosmetic surgery. Her letters have been slippin' badly.

(Damn. She'll be trying to make it with Johnny Depp. Unless she goes for the wooly type--dys. :wink: )

snood-- please note my refusal to address the topic. Cool (You couldn't find a Training Day pic???)
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:20 pm
Tartarin--
Cute, but you're not going to bag any celebrities looking like that.

Plus, how can you fight o dirty in politics and be taken seriously with that mug?

Do over.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:29 pm
I'm not trying to get you, Sof, it's either Dys or Snood I really want...
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:31 pm
Well, they'll be arrested. You're six years old!

(Is that you?)
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:32 pm
Yeah - Training Day - the one flick he played an inveterate thug. go figure.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:35 pm
snoods handsome, i'm scruffy, my avatar is me
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:45 pm
when I can figure how to get picture of me into an avatar, I'll dood it.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:47 pm
Sho-o-ot, neighbor, is that Denzel?

Now, here's why we needn't bother our little heads about elections and all that dumb stuff anymore. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:52 pm
That link didn't go anywhere, sweety.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:55 pm
It was supposed to go to chapter and verse of a (House) Resolution (1/03) to appeal the amendment which limits the number of terms a president can serve.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 09:59 pm
HJRES 11 IH


108th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 11
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment , thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 7, 2003
Mr. SERRANO introduced the following joint resolution ; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary



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JOINT RESOLUTION
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment , thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.


Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:

`Article--

`The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.'.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 23 Apr, 2003 11:11 pm
I gotta say that stands a bit less chance than do some other campaign reform initiatives ... a group of general limited prospect.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 07:34 am
Here are some recent tidbits about the Bush administration which add to my storehouse reasons why this administration constitutes a "clear and present danger":

Re Justice: The example of the Moussaoui prosecution:

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Brinkema plans to let Moussaoui and his "standby" defense lawyers question an Al-Qaida captive via closed-circuit transmission, with a time delay allowing her to screen out inappropriate questions, the brief disclosed [...]

[The prosecution has appealed, citing national security.]

[...]Frank Dunham, the federal public defender for the Eastern District of Virginia who leads a team of court-appointed lawyers assisting Moussaoui, described the powers the government seeks in its appeal as "alarming."
He said legal precedents in place for half a century have made clear that, if national interests override the importance of a criminal prosecution, "then you don't bring the prosecution."
He added, "You don't break all the rules of criminal procedure and constitutional guarantees to criminal defendants because they happen to get in the way of fighting a war."


http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/3842579.html


Re: 9/11 -- To those who believe this administration was responsible -- from "Bush did it on purpose" to "someone oughta be fired or sued for negligence" -- the "9/11 timeline" is probably familiar. This is the most recent one. To enhance its credibility, it's based on reports in mainstream media rather than less convincing fringe sources. The website offers it in quick-and-easy-to-read outline and in a fully detailed version of several hundred pages. Senator Shelby's comments follow a brief introductory statement from the head researcher (both quoted below) and continues with a multi-year timeline.

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[...]9/11 was one of the most pivotal events in world history. Its impact will be felt for years to come. You owe it to yourself to go beyond the sound bites and the simplified official story. This is an extremely complicated story with numerous players and motives. Not everything makes sense or fits neatly together. It's a story full of espionage, deceit, and lies. But if there are forces out there tricking us, they can only succeed if we, the general public, remain ignorant and passive.
I am limiting my sources to only those one might call "mainstream." Why? It's not because I believe one can only trust the mainstream media. In fact, I feel the opposite is true - much of the best reporting today is coming from alternative media. But many people are initially very skeptical. A lot of material I found looking around the web seemed very hard to believe when I first saw it. My goal is to use mainstream sources to generally open eyes to new possibilities.

"Members of congressional committees investigating the pre-Sept. 11 warnings said yesterday that there is far more damaging information that has not yet been disclosed about the government's knowledge of events leading up to Sept. 11. 'We've just scratched the surface,' said Sen. Richard C. Shelby, ranking Republican member of the Senate intelligence committee." [Washington Post, 5/17/02] [...]

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911timeline10pg


Re: The 2004 campaign. The administration is not only avoiding discussion of the inherent failures in national security which led to 9/11, it will be using 9/11 quite cynically as part of its campaign in which -- also -- every effort will be made to avoid the constrictions of the campaign finance laws.

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[...]The president is planning a sprint of a campaign that would start, at least officially, with his acceptance speech at the Republican convention, now set for Sept. 2.
The convention, to be held in New York City, will be the latest since the Republican Party was founded in 1856, and Bush's advisers said they chose the date so the event would flow into the commemorations marking the third anniversary of the World Trade Center attacks.
The back-to-back events would frame a campaign that is being built around national security and combating terrorism, Republicans said. Not incidentally, they said they hoped it would deprive the Democratic nominee of news coverage during the opening weeks of the general election campaign.
By scheduling the start of the convention for Aug. 30, a month after Democrats choose their candidate, the White House has put off the imposition of spending ceilings that take effect when the parties officially nominate their candidates. [...]

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/5686610.htm
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 07:37 am
Re: Repealing the amendment limiting Presidential terms.
It'll never pass.
We won't move any closer to a monarchy-type, Tammany Hall political machine operating the Presidency. Politics is corrupt enough now, as things are.

They still haven't dismantled that mob in Chicago's City Hall. I'd take a very hard look at the people who try to push that change in the Constitution.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 08:39 am
Mr. Serrano is a.... Noo Yawk Democrat!!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 08:47 am
Speaking of Noo Yawk Dems ...

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x5777.xml


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April 24, 2003 -- Bush Edges Clinton, Tops All Comers In New York, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; But Most Voters Say She Should Stay In The Senate


If New York Sen. Hillary Clinton challenged President George W. Bush in 2004, the not-so-native daughter would be on the short side of a 47 -- 44 percent split among New York voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

Sen. Clinton has a 52 -- 36 percent approval rating and New York voters say 59 -- 37 percent that she should not run for President next year.

President Bush has a 58 -- 37 percent approval in New York, up from 50 -- 44 percent in a February 12 poll by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University.

"That a president fresh off a wartime win would poll higher than most wannabes isn't surprising. What will surprise many is that President Bush does so well against Sen. Clinton," said Maurice Carroll director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"In 2000, Bush was so far behind in New York, he didn't even bother to campaign here.

"Meanwhile, New Yorkers want Hillary to stay home. They'd rather have her call Chappaqua home than to try going back to Pennsylvania Avenue."

Bush is ahead of other leaders in the Democratic Presidential pack:

50 -- 38 percent over Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman;
50 -- 38 percent over Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry;
49 -- 38 percent over Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt.


The "Repudiation of The Right" seems to be going less well than The Left might have hoped. Of course, its early yet, not even Campaign Season. Still, it would appear The Democrats are facing an uphill battle to reach out and touch The Mainstream. Is it just possible The Democrats are the ones who "Just Don't Get It?"
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 09:11 am
Timber -- I think you'll probably find that Bush's 50, 50, 49 percentages are way low for a "popular" wartime president.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2003 09:18 am
Perhaps, Tartarin ... but those New York Numbers are a big step up from where he was at this point in the 2000 Campaign. I'm no fan, but The Boy seems to be doing OK. Polls are just polls, but there seems little reason for The Left to derive much comfort from the established trend. I suspect much of the problem faced by the Dems is due to having no candidate, no message, and no unity. Its one thing to march to a different drummer, entirely another to walk away from the parade.
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