Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

If it's true, we have the media to blame, Au. But I live in an area which is 10% Dem, and the rest split between Republicans and -- what to call them? -- Libertarian Constitutionalists? With the exception of several Republicans who work so hard they don't watch TV and don't know there's a war on, you can't find a single person who has any respect left for Bush. What I do find -- over and over again -- is that people tend to look on others who say what they really think as "outspoken"! I'm in the "outspoken" group, of course. But many of the people I know will assume one is for Bush and politely support him until you get deeper into conversation and they reveal they don't like him at all, find him scary.

The Media? No, I don't think so. What we have are people who are politically ignorant who read the headlines, watch the six o'clock news and vote based on 30 second times slots. Unfortunately that makes up a goodly number of the voting public. Than you have the mass of people who don't even bother to vote and use the excuse all politicians are the same or my vote doesn't matter anyhow.
Try taking the right to vote away from these people and they will fight tooth and nail and yet too many do not bother to exercise it. We have met the enemy and he is us.

The problem is, Au, that just at the moment all politicans ARE the same, give or take a few. There's a great WS Merwin poem about "he is us" that I heard earlier today. If I can locate it (or tape and transcribe it) I'll post it.

Yes, yes and yes!

Tartarin
I respectfully disagree with you, Gore may have been no great bargain but do you think he would have done the damage that this @#$#@ has done. They are definitely not the same.

Algore is not one of my favorite politicians, but at this juncture with GWBush, I wish we had Algore instead. c.i.

2,000 humans will still be alive. c.i.

Just keep an eye on things for now. The only hope I have is that Gbush the Ist had a 70's plus approval rating before revealing himself to be a dolt about how the rest of us live.

Joe

Joe, I think this chump has already proven that, and I have to fully agree with au and c.i. - I also know that Tartarin agrees also, as a matter of fact - anybody is better that the Bush family - they are only out to suck America dry!!!!!!!!!!!

The Supreme Court has much to answer for - world-wide mass murder and a President few sensible people would buy a used car from.

No - I have considerable respect for Gore and think we would have warm relations with much of the world, and would not invade another country on our own if he had been allowed his presidency. But he would not have been alone in Washington and the worst example of insta-blend-'n'-stir is in Congress and not likely to change any time soon! There is a movement towards dissent on the part of moderate Republicans and we may have to count on them, rather than Democrats, to do the heavy lifting. John Webb is right about the Court. A disgrace.

John Webb's quote: "The Supreme Court has much to answer for - world-wide mass murder and a President few sensible people would buy a used car from." The problem, John, is that 70 percent of our population already bought. ;( c.i.

It is my suspicion (and fear) that had Gore been President, September 11th would have remained an insignificant date in historical terms.

Is that because we think, John, that we had a hand in creating that event, indirectly and directly? Do you think we'll ever find out the truth about that?

Can't, I believe 9/11 was inevitable, it would have been later!

If you follow the money, the only genuine beneficiaries of 9/11 were the Bush Administration, by way of Presidential popularity, and their major financial backers, comprising weapons makers and oil conglomerates.

Consider the billions of taxpayers' dollars which are now pouring into their pockets and which could never have been justified without the attack upon the Twin Towers.

There is considerable evidence that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were advocated by Republican leaders from before they grabbed the White House - and the only proof of guilt for 9/11 has been allegations by the Administration - still awaiting support by ANY independent inquiry or investigation.

It could be argued that this is all simple coincidence and proves nothing - UNLESS ONE APPLIES THE PRESIDENTIAL CRITERIA THAT ALL SUSPECTED OF INVOLVEMENT IN TERRORISM ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.

In which case, there is a rock-solid case for removing all leading members of the Administration to Quantanimo Bay for months of questioning in smoke-filled rooms.

John, invasion of Iraq preplanned - yes; but not Afganistan. As a matter of fact the Bushites were dealing with the Taliban, (and Osama) for a pipeline and other things - in my mind, more of a indication of where the Bush administration sucks!

The dismal market performance of defense and petroleum stocks sorta argues against that supposition. The argument may be comfortingly convenient, but it lacks demonstrable foundation.

Disregarding any judgement of which faction if any may be correct, the observation re "The Masses" is most frequently posed by those outnumbered by The Masses, whatever the issue, IMHO.

A good time to invest your money in defense and petroleum stocks, if only the President will tell you which of his friends will be supplying replacements for those used up in Iraq and getting free runs at Iraqi oil reserves.