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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 10:23 am
McG, If McCain's on the ticket, I'll vote for him.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 11:16 am
I believe we would have record turnouts and he would achieve a higher percentage of votes than any candidate before.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 11:20 am
Prolly.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 11:26 am
Here's an article that tell us why McCain would win many democrats to vote for him. http://www.iht.com/articles/520163.html
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 11:55 am
AnyBody But Bush - the Repubs to change horses in September Twisted Evil
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 01:47 pm
Why Kerry is not that attractive to democrats or liberals. From snopes. http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/homes.asp
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 01:50 pm
You saw today' New York Post?

print version:

http://www.campaigndesk.org/images/NYPostKerrysChoice.jpg

online:

http://www.campaigndesk.org/images/NYPostGephardtStory.jpg

A really competent cover by this Murdoch paper! Laughing
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 10:00 am
Priorities?

Quote:
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040709/capt.nygh11407090341.kerry_nygh114.jpg

Drudge: KERRY PASSES UP TERROR BRIEFING: 'I JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME'
Fri Jul 09 2004 09:23:56 ET

Just hours before attending an all-star celebrity fundraising concert in New York, Dem presidential candidate John Kerry revealed how he has been too busy for a real-time national security briefing.

"I just haven't had time," Kerry explained in an interview.

Kerry made the startling comments on CNN's LARRY KING LIVE Thursday night.

KING: News of the day, Tom Ridge warned today about al Qaeda plans of a large-scale attack on the United States. Didn't increase the -- you see any politics in this? What's your reaction?

KERRY: Well, I haven't been briefed yet, Larry. They have offered to brief me. I just haven't had time.


Sure, its via Drudge ... but it's from CNN/Larry King.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jul, 2004 10:59 am
Actually, it's quite easy to show the original transcript, but obviously not so spectacular.
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nuclear ox
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2004 03:24 pm
Quote:
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:40 pm Post subject:

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Thomas Jefferson wrote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


And if Bush is "re"-elected in November, it may come to that.



You'll be seein' me on the other side of the rifle sight then, buddie! Mad
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2004 04:49 pm
Ain't likely to need rifles, nuclear ox ... their weapons-of-choice pretty much amount to placards, burnin' flags, and nasty words. Firehoses oughtta be all that's needed to keep 'em from hurtin' anything.

Oh, and welcome to A2K. Hope you enjoy yourself here.
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nuclear ox
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2004 05:37 pm
thanks, timber, and i suspect you're right. a good example of that exact thing can be found at protestwarrior.com, it also demonstrates, however, that those peace-loving liberals won't hesetate to resort to violence in the name of peace!
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2004 08:33 pm
I got just enough energy for one post today.

This article sure does make it sound like Our Popular Wartime Prezdint got his widdle feewings hurt....

Quote:
President Bush has decided not to speak to the country's largest civil rights group, the White House said on Friday, citing openly hostile comments by its leaders about the president.

The White House initially attributed Bush's decision not to accept the invitation to speak at the NAACP annual convention to a scheduling conflict. The convention opens on Saturday in Philadelphia.

But White House spokesman Scott McClellan, traveling with Bush on a campaign bus trip through Pennsylvania cited ``hostile political rhetoric about the president'' from the group's leaders.

"It's disappointing to hear,'' McClellan said.


Yo, Dubya:

Suck it up, ya big pussy.

The last President who failed to attend the NAACP convention was Herbert Hoover. What is his fascination with President "Prosperity is just around the corner", anyway? Isn't his jobs record enough of a shitty comparison?

This idiot is running on a record of "bold, decisive leadership" and he doesn't have the stones to have protestors within 10 blocks of his campaign events, can't handle one Enron question without storming off in a huff, and won't attend anything where the crowd isn't pre-arranged.

We used to have Presidents who would almost welcome an adversarial situation (one named Clinton comes to mind). Bush runs from anyone who might have something to say that he doesn't wanna hear.

He's a wimp. Just like his old man. Mr. Green

Oh, and welcome to the new Freeper.

I'll be delighted to see ya at the revolution, should it come to that. Wear something yellow -- you know, the color of that streak running down Your President's back -- so I can recognize you. Cool
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2004 10:03 pm
We must not forget Bush complaining to the govment of Ireland, because she asked the tough questions.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2004 11:15 am
. . Mr. DeLay, who, in the debate over gun control after the
Columbine shootings, insisted that juvenile violence is the result
of day care, birth control and the teaching of evolution.
Machine at Work

July 13, 2004
By PAUL KRUGMAN

From a business point of view, Enron is a smoking ruin. But
there's important evidence in the rubble.

If Enron hadn't collapsed, we might still have only
circumstantial evidence that energy companies artificially
drove up prices during California's electricity crisis.
Because of that collapse, we have direct evidence in the
form of the now-infamous Enron tapes - although the Federal
Energy Regulatory Commission and the Justice Department
tried to prevent their release.

Now, e-mail and other Enron documents are revealing why Tom
DeLay, the House majority leader, is one of the most
powerful men in America.

A little background: at the Republican convention, most
featured speakers will be social moderates like Rudy
Giuliani and Arnold Schwarzenegger. A moderate facade is
necessary to win elections in a generally tolerant nation.
But real power in the party rests with hard-line social
conservatives like Mr. DeLay, who, in the debate over gun
control after the Columbine shootings, insisted that
juvenile violence is the result of day care, birth control
and the teaching of evolution.

Here's the puzzle: if Mr. DeLay's brand of conservatism is
so unpopular that it must be kept in the closet during the
convention, how can people like him really run the party?

In Mr. DeLay's case, a large part of the answer is his
control over corporate cash. As far back as 1996, one
analyst described Mr. DeLay as the "chief enforcer of
company contributions to Republicans." Some of that cash
has flowed through Americans for a Republican Majority,
called Armpac, a political action committee Mr. DeLay
founded in 1994. By dispensing that money to other
legislators, he gains their allegiance; this, in turn,
allows him to deliver favors to his corporate contributors.
Four of the five Republicans on the House ethics committee,
where a complaint has been filed against Mr. DeLay, are
past recipients of Armpac money.

The complaint, filed by Representative Chris Bell of Texas,
contends, among other things, that Mr. DeLay laundered
illegal corporate contributions for use in Texas elections.
And that's where Enron enters the picture.

In May 2001, according to yesterday's Washington Post,
Enron lobbyists in Washington informed Ken Lay via e-mail
that Mr. DeLay was seeking $100,000 in additional donations
to his political action committee, with the understanding
that it would be partly spent on "the redistricting effort
in Texas." The Post says it has "at least a dozen"
documents showing that Mr. DeLay and his associates
directed money from corporate donors and lobbyists to an
effort to win control of the Texas Legislature so the
Republican Party could redraw the state's political
districts.

Enron, which helped launch Armpac, was happy to oblige,
especially because Mr. DeLay was helping the firm's effort
to secure energy deregulation legislation, even as its
traders boasted to one another about how they were rigging
California's deregulated market and stealing millions each
day from "Grandma Millie."

The Texas redistricting, like many of Mr. DeLay's actions,
broke all the usual rules of political fair play. But when
you believe, as Mr. DeLay does, that God is using you to
promote a "biblical worldview" in politics, the usual rules
don't apply. And the redistricting worked - it is a major
reason why anything short of a Democratic tidal wave in
November is likely to leave the House in Republican hands.

There is, however, one problem: a 100-year-old Texas law
bars corporate financing of State Legislature campaigns. An
inquiry is under way, and Mr. DeLay has hired two criminal
defense lawyers. Stay tuned.

But you shouldn't conclude that the system is working. Mr.
DeLay's current predicament is an accident. The party
machine that he has done so much to create has eliminated
most of the checks and balances in our government. Again
and again, Republicans in Congress have closed ranks to
block or emasculate politically inconvenient
investigations. If Enron hadn't collapsed, and if Texas
didn't still have a campaign finance law that is a relic of
its populist past, Mr. DeLay would be in no danger at all.

The larger picture is this: Mr. DeLay and his fellow
hard-liners, whose values are far from the American
mainstream, have forged an immensely effective alliance
with corporate interests. And they may be just one election
away from achieving a long-term lock on power.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/13/opinion/13KRUG.html?ex=1090720241&ei=1&en=ab2752f8734a1336

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2004 07:28 pm
The alternate party candidates (it's not fair to call them 'third parties', since there's about half a dozen of them) continue to pose a greater threat to Bush than Nader does to Kerry:

Quote:
MICHAEL BADNARIK, the software engineer who is the Libertarian Party's 2004 presidential candidate, is hardly a household name. But if the election stays as close as it is right now, then Badnarik, who is a critic of excessive government spending and the Iraq war, could pose the same problem for President George Bush that Ralph Nader poses for Democratic challenger John Kerry.

Badnarik could attract as much as 1% of the presidential vote, pollster John Zogby told us this week. One percent may not sound like a lot, but with 16 to 20 states considered "battlegrounds" that are too close too call, this slim margin could determine the outcome of the contest, Zogby says.

Libertarians have never been this much of a threat before. Harry Browne, the party's pick in 2000, attracted half of a percent in the 2000 race. The reason that Badnarik may do better is that many conservative Republicans are upset with numerous Bush policies, and plan to register a protest.

These conservatives, Zogby says, are most angry about the budget deficit and runaway Republican spending; the war with Iraq, which they feel was ill-advised; and the Patriot Act, because it curbs civil liberties.

Zogby, who conducts polls for major media companies and both political parties, thinks Constitution Party candidate Michael Anthony Peroutka also could become a negative for Bush in some crucial states. Peroutka's overall take is expected to be about half a percent or less.

Nader, meanwhile, should attract 1.5% to 2% of the vote, according to Zogby's polling. Other polls say that Nader will attract up to 4% of the votes. About 50% of Nader's votes would come from people who would vote for Kerry if Nader were not in the race, Zogby says. About 25% would come from those who otherwise would vote for Bush. The remaining 25% represents people who wouldn't vote at all if Nader were not in the race.

Not all pollsters agree with Zogby. Larry Harris of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research says there's no Badnarik blip on his radar. If the race were to become so close that Badnarik could shape its outcome, then Bush would have problems far greater than those represented by the Libertarian protest vote, he says.

Still, there is no question that conservative Republicans are steam-out-of-the-ears angry at Bush. Last month, the Cato Institute, a think tank with strong libertarian leanings, published a paper that criticized Bush's decision to occupy Iraq. Had it been published earlier, it might have served as anti-Bush cannon fodder for lefty filmmaker Michael Moore.

In March, Cato issued a report that criticized Republicans in Congress for overspending and creating "the current budget mess." In the 2000 election, the Cato crowd was considered part of the solid GOP base.


The New Spoiler: Libertarian Candidate Could Hurt Bush
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2004 08:02 pm
The republican party is donating to the Nader-Camejo campaign to swing voters from Kerry to Nader. Last week, Camejo said they will not accept donations from the republican party, but today, Camejo welcomes donations from the republicans. Interesting turn of events; if the libertarian candidate could hurt Bush. Maybe the democrats will donate to the libertarian candidate. Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jul, 2004 09:37 pm
Send In the Gowns
July 15, 2004
By MAUREEN DOWD

The president and the first lady said the twins weren't
public figures, yet here are their figures in public.

The strapless sisters are helping a campaign that's
increasingly strapped. Barbara and Jenna, glamming like the
Hilton sisters, are in gowns in Vogue, and in vogue on the
trail, giving Dad some much needed cover by uncovering
their shoulders.

With even Republicans like Pat Roberts, the head of the
Senate Intelligence Committee, questioning whether the
president would have launched a war against Iraq if he'd
known how weak his case was, Mr. Bush needs all the
distractions he can get.

There was faint support yesterday for Mr. Bush's feint on
gay marriage. W. thought he had a bit in the maverick's
mouth, but John McCain bit back, bolting over to the
Democratic side to help embarrass the president by
defeating the constitutional amendment that dare not speak
its name. Senator McCain scorned the amendment banning gay
marriage as "antithetical in every way to the core
philosophy of Republicans." (Well, some Republicans.)

When the British report came out yesterday declaring that
Saddam Hussein had no significant W.M.D., or perhaps no
W.M.D., Tony Blair accepted "full personal responsibility"
for "the way the issue was presented and, therefore, for
any errors made."

Mr. Bush, by contrast, took full personal irresponsibility.
Still pressing the preposterous case that he has made
America safer, even though we are inundated with threats
from Al Qaeda, and that he is winning the war against
terror, even though there are more terrorist attacks, the
president had to go farther afield to find a sufficiently
enthusiastic audience.

Instead of fleeing to Canada to dodge a war, W. had to flee
practically to Canada to defend a war. In the middle of
July, the president was campaigning in the middle of
nowhere, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan - the first
president to bother to trek up to Nick Adams country since
William Howard Taft.

Mr. Bush must have left the buck in deer country because
the White House keeps passing the blame to the same C.I.A.
that Dick Cheney and his Pentagon henchmen leaned on to
supply the rationale they needed for the war they were
determined to launch.

They're trying to turn George Tenet from lapdog to
scapegoat, while letting Dick Cheney, the 800-pound gorilla
who tried to turn the little C.I.A. analysts into parrots,
continue his rumble in the jungle.

If this sounds like "Animal Farm," it is. What is more
Orwellian than President Bush's rhetorical fallacies?

Campaigning at the nuclear lab in Oak Ridge, Tenn. - he
finally found nuclear-related capability - Mr. Bush
defended the Iraq war: "So I had a choice to make: either
take the word of a madman or defend America." He also said
of the terrorists, "We will confront them overseas so we do
not have to confront them here at home."

That's nonsense. Just because more terrorists are attacking
Americans abroad doesn't mean terrorists aren't poised to
also attack us at home. And in fact, Bush officials keep
warning us that terrorists are planning "something big"
here, as the acting C.I.A. director, John McLaughlin, said
yesterday in a radio interview.

It's just like the president's other false dichotomies:
You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists. If we
don't stop gays from marrying, it will destroy the
institution of marriage.

His illogic's flawless and may be catching. A Washington
Post poll published yesterday found that 55 percent of
Americans like the way Mr. Bush is handling terrorism, up
five points in three weeks. So even though the poll showed
that a record high number of Americans say Mr. Bush's war
was a mistake, more Americans trust Mr. Bush to make the
U.S. more secure.

Many voters think that the president and vice president are
unjustifiably putting lives at risk by going to war with a
false premise and creating more terrorists. But many voters
are apparently dithering because they are too wary of the
alternative to boot out Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney.

The nub of this election is that John Kerry has so far
failed to convince voters that he'll do what Mr. Bush
promised to do and hasn't: go after Osama and Al Qaeda and
destroy them. Unless Mr. Kerry can make that sale,
Americans face not a false dilemma, but a real one.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/15/opinion/15DOWD.html?ex=1090891033&ei=1&en=449a6c94f3e87318

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2004 08:40 am
No. Have another beer. Please.

Quote:
Jerry Bailey is precisely the kind of taxpayer President Bush had hoped to bestow his tax cuts on: an entrepreneur brew-pub owner, a job provider, not overly rich by Washington area standards but well off enough to pay a hefty sum to the federal government each year.

But after three tax cuts in three years, the part-owner of Loudoun County's Old Dominion Brewing Co. is not exactly celebrating his gains. Sure, his federal tax bill was trimmed, by a healthy $5,600, according to a rough calculation by Clint Stretch, director of tax policy at the accounting firm Deloitte & Touche LLP.

But other factors having nothing to do with federal taxes have clouded Bailey's situation. This year, the property tax bill on his Bethesda home will reach $6,725, a $950 increase over his payment four years ago. The annual cost of his 56-mile-a-day commute has jumped more than $300 since 2001, and the long, slow decline of business profits these past four years has left Bailey far behind, no matter what his federal tax payment may be.

"I'm not paying any taxes at all because we're not making any money," Bailey said with a sigh. "I loved paying taxes. It meant we were doing all right."


Wa Po (reg. req.)
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2004 09:21 am

Badnarik, apparently, is quite the character ...
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