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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 01:36 pm
BillW - Typical knee-jerk, unthinking response from you. Nice to see that somethings haven't changed while I've been away! Very Happy

Yes, I know all too well that "Bush" = "Evil" in your lexicon. You remind me of all the Clinton haters, only not nearly as creative or well-informed.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 01:41 pm
Can't handle the truth can you Scrat - things don't change do they...................... Rolling Eyes

Continue to live in your unbalanced neocon world, life is better with Rush and Ann Arrow
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 02:13 pm
Both parties have their palms greased by special interests. it just so happens that Bush is in the white house, so he's the one who has to be called on it. But he won't be, of course.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 02:24 pm
of course Smile
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 05:16 pm
Speaking of unfounded sexual rumors-meant-to-smear (were we?):

Larry Flynt says he's finally nailed down the Dubya abortion story.

I'm sure the librul media, which spent the past week reporting on BS scandal-mongering from Drudge, will universally condemn Flynt for daring to do such, as they did when he rightly thought that hypocritically adulterous behavior by certain Republicans during the impeachment fiasco was newsworthy (but they didn't, of course).

I'd also like to compare Flynt's batting average with Drudge's. While the talking heads will jump to condemn him, they should recognize that Flynt has higher journalistic standards than any of them for this kind of thing. He doesn't run with a story until he has multiple sources. Frankly I have a lot more faith in the accuracy of Flynt's reporting than I do in a lot of the mainstream press. The past week has only re-confirmed that.

Let's recall that Drudge made his bones as a celebrity because of an intern and a blue dress. And the Washington Post and ABC News and all the rest jumped on the bandwagon for fear of being scooped by the National Enquirer.

And one last thing....this story came up on CNN's Crossfire in 2000, and the producers flipped out, started screaming in his ear, and the transcript was permanently removed from their website. Here's what Flynt said:

Quote:
[ROBERT] NOVAK: Mr. Flynt, never let it be said that we censor any of our guests here on CROSSFIRE, and you said you wanted to talk about the election. Tell me what you wanted to say.

FLYNT: Well, during the impeachment debacle, we did an investigation which resulted in the resignation of Bob Livingston and others and we have continued this investigation and for eight months we've been looking into George W. Bush's background. And we've found out in the early 1970s he was involved in an abortion in Texas, and I just think that it's sad that the mainstream media, who's aware of this story, won't ask him that question when they were able to ask him the drug question without any proof at all, and we've got all kinds of proof on this issue.

NOVAK: Well, you're...

FLYNT: You know, the guy admitted he was a drunk for 20 years, and if the abortion issue is true then that puts him lower on the morality scale than Bill Clinton.

NOVAK: Mr. Flynt, you said if it's true and you have no proof of that. I gather you are a very strong...

FLYNT: The hell we don't have proof.

NOVAK: Sir, I gather you're a very strong Gore supporter. Is that correct?

FLYNT: I'll vote for the lesser of the two evils. I don't like either one of them.

[BILL] PRESS: All Right, Larry Flynt, a man who speaks his word, but we remind you they are Larry Flynt's words and not ours. Larry Flynt, thank you very, very much for joining us.


This was followed by an online chat, in which Flynt went into greater detail:

Quote:
CNN - Mr. Flynt, I would like to know how you plan to protect yourself from a lawsuit by claiming to have the goods on GWBush.

Flynt: Because we have them and the truth is an absolute defense.

CNN; When and where are you going to publish information about George W. Bush?

Flynt: When I said that we had the proof, I am referring to knowing who the girl was, knowing who the doctor was that pereformed the abortion, evidence from girlfriends of hers at the time, who knew about the romance and the subsequent abortion. The young lady does not want to go public, and without her willingness, we don't feel that we're on solid enough legal ground to go with the story, because should she say it never happened, then we've got a potential libel suit. But we know we have enough evidence that we believe completely. One of the things that interested us was that this abortion took place before Roe Vs. Wade in 1970, which made it a crime at the time. I'd just like the national media to ask him if abortion is okay for him and his family, but not for the rest of America. We're not looking at it as a big issue, we're looking at it as a situation of people not being told the truth. I think the American people have a right to know everything there is to know about someone running for President.


Is it true? Is it accurate? I'll watch and see if our gallant media watchdogs attack the subjects of the rumor and not the source if they decide to break this news, as they did with John Kerry's intern story this week. Evil or Very Mad
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 05:24 pm
PD, are you saying that Flynt has recently reintroduced this bit of history Question I remember that he was going to continue to try and get bonafides so that he could have firm legal footing.

BTW, to answer your question (at least half of it) - Flynt is batting 100% and to the best of my knowledge, Drudge is just a little bit better than the Star, National Enquirer;but, a little lower than Rush Limpbag and Ann Coulter is pure fiction.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 06:58 pm
Curious ...

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Arabs in U.S. Raising Money to Back Bush

Wealthy Arab-Americans and foreign-born Muslims who strongly back President Bush's decision to invade Iraq are adding their names to the ranks of Pioneers and Rangers, the elite Bush supporters who have raised $100,000 or more for his re-election.

This new crop of fund-raisers comes as some opinion polls suggest support for the president among Arab-Americans is sinking and at a time when strategists from both parties say Mr. Bush is losing ground with this group. Mr. Bush has been criticized by Arab-Americans who feel they are being singled out in the fight against terrorism and who are uneasy over the administration's Palestinian-Israeli policies.

Yet the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and the war in Iraq have been a catalyst for some wealthy Arab-Americans to become more involved in politics. And there are still others who have a more practical reason for opening their checkbooks: access to a business-friendly White House. Already, their efforts have brought them visits with the president at his ranch in Crawford, Tex., as well as White House dinners and meetings with top administration officials.

The fund-raisers are people like Mori Hosseini, the Iranian-born chief executive of ICI Homes, a home builder in Daytona Beach, Fla. Mr. Hosseini is a Ranger, gaining the top designation after raising $200,000 from his family and acquaintances. (The minimum level of money raised for a Ranger is $200,000, while it takes $100,000 to be a Pioneer.)

Never before has Mr. Hosseini been this active politically. But he said he was inspired by Mr. Bush's "decisive" action, especially in Iraq, and Mr. Hosseini's efforts have led to an invitation to a White House Christmas party and a private meeting with the president and a handful of other donors at a recent fund-raiser at Disney World.

"He has saved Iraq," said Mr. Hosseini, who left Iran when he was 13. "He's the savior, if not of Iraq, but also of the other countries around Iraq. They want freedom. I am so sure of this because I am from that part of the world."

Mr. Hosseini's enthusiasm runs counter to what some polls say is a drop in Mr. Bush's popularity among Arab-Americans. In a recent release, the Arab American Institute, a nonprofit organization representing Arab-American interests in government and politics, said Mr. Bush's support had fallen sharply since the 2000 election. A January poll conducted for the group by Zogby International, which is headed by John Zogby, a Lebanese-American, found that Mr. Bush's approval rating among Arab-Americans had fallen to 38 percent from as high as 83 percent in October 2001.

The biggest reason for this drop-off, according to the institute's poll, is concern over Arab-Americans' No. 1 issue, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. To many Arab-Americans, the administration's actions are seen as more pro-Israel than evenhanded, especially its support of Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister.

In addition, a program begun after 9/11 that required thousands of Arab and Muslim men to register with the immigration officials has sent chills through Arab-Americans, as has the antiterrorism law known as the USA Patriot Act, which Arab-Americans say is a threat to their civil liberties.

Even so, prominent Arab-Americans have kept the money flowing.

"It's like the Catholic Church," said Mr. Zogby, whose brother, James, is president of the Arab American Institute. "The total dollars are up, but the number of donors is down."

One reason may be that Arab-Americans are not a monolithic group. The term is used generally to refer to people from Arab countries, but they may have diverse religious, ethnic and cultural backgrounds, like Lebanese and other Arab Christians or Muslims from Egypt and Pakistan. Many Arab-Americans left their countries because of political and economic oppression and are now small-business owners or entrepreneurs who say the Republican Party best represents their values.

As with any specific group, it is impossible to determine exactly how much of Mr. Bush's campaign money comes from Arab-Americans.

Fred Pezeshkan counts himself among the Republican hard core. For the past 25 years, Mr. Pezeshkan has lived in Naples, Fla., where he is president of the Krate Construction Company. He is also a first-time Ranger, having raised $200,000 for Mr. Bush. In previous years, except for voting Republican, the Iranian-born Mr. Pezeshkan was not politically active.

But to Mr. Pezeshkan, the invasion of Iraq shows "a strong American interest to go to those countries in the Middle East and bring democracy, culture, education, hospitals and the things that they need."

Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for the Bush campaign, said that the campaign was "working hard to maintain" support given by Arab-Americans in 2000, but that it had no special outreach programs for them.

George Salem, chairman of the Arab American Institute and a political adviser to Presidents Ronald Reagan and the elder George Bush, said the younger Mr. Bush was "a more difficult sell to some segments" of the Arab-American population, especially because of the new antiterrorism law.

Mr. Salem, a Washington lawyer, said Mr. Bush had two big selling points: he was the first president in recent memory to call for an independent Palestinian state, and he made two high-level Arab-American appointments, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham and the director of the Office of Management and Budget, Mitchell E. Daniels Jr., whose father is from Syria.

One of the largest concentrations of Arab-Americans is in Detroit, home to Yousif Ghafari, a Lebanese Christian who came to the United States in 1972 and now heads his own engineering firm.

For years Mr. Ghafari donated to the Republican Party, but this year he stepped up the pace, raising $350,000 to become a Ranger. He said that "the 9/11 situation was a bad situation for us" but that he supported Mr. Bush for "taking the initiative" to oust Saddam Hussein and believed that Mr. Bush had the capacity to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

"The Western-educated and business-motivated know that the whole Middle Eastern region has to change," said Mr. Ghafari, who collected donations from non-Arabs as well.

One of those Mr. Ghafari tapped is Tim Attallah, a Dearborn lawyer and a first-generation Palestinian-American. Mr. Attallah, who donated $2,000, said he was having a hard time reconciling his personal beliefs with some of the Bush administration's policies.

In 1993, Mr. Attallah stood on the White House lawn as an invited guest when the Israeli-Palestinian peace accord was signed. But now, he said, he is troubled by the administration's stance in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and is concerned about the antiterrorism law and the lack of Republican leaders campaigning for Arab-American votes.

"These are tough times for us, and we have not seen our friends," Mr. Attallah said.

Big donations have brought high-level access for Dr. Malik Hasan, a native of Pakistan and the former chief executive of Foundation Health Systems of Denver, one of the largest health maintenance organizations. In the past decade, Dr. Hasan has given several hundred thousand dollars to Mr. Bush and the Republican Party, including a $100,000 check to the Bush inaugural committee.

This year, Dr. Hasan is a Pioneer. In the past few months he has met personally with Mr. Bush, once at a White House dinner and again at a fund-raiser in Washington. He visited with Mr. Bush at the president's ranch, and Dr. Hasan's wife, Seeme, has been brought into high-level meetings on Arab-American concerns.

The couple say they are still fans of Mr. Bush, even though, Mrs. Hasan said, their American-born son was recently surrounded by the police and detained at an airport for no apparent reason other than his ethnic background.

"As a Muslim I felt it was wonderful that Saddam Hussein was removed," Dr. Hasan said. "The rest of the Muslim countries were standing there doing nothing. Honestly, I wrote to the president and said I adored his accomplishments."
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 07:12 pm
yes, PD, I saw that story just now too. We'll be watching it. I love Larry Flynt. If anything, he's at least earnest and hard working.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:04 pm
He's a disgusting pervert, but I love the part of him that yearns to screw over the hypocrites in government!
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:06 pm
Quote:
He's a disgusting pervert

You say that like its a bad thing! Shocked
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:09 pm
Here's a very good reason we must get the neo-cons out of our administration/country. They're bunch of scary bastards.
*************************************
1971 Photo of Kerry Doctored


By Michael Rothfeld
Staff Writer


As a 20-year-old photographer documenting the country's struggle over the Vietnam War, Ken Light snapped the picture of John Kerry at a peace rally in Mineola. It captured the future senator alone at a podium, squinting into the sun.

Light did not photograph Jane Fonda on that warm June Sunday in 1971. The actress, who is reviled by many Vietnam veterans for her vocal stance against the war, did not even attend.

But when opponents of the Democratic presidential hopeful began e-mailing Light's picture to one another four days ago, it depicted Fonda standing by Kerry's side. The photo had been doctored.

"I'm horrified," said Light, 52, who grew up in East Meadow and now heads the graduate photojournalism program at the University of California at Berkeley. "I think this kind of alteration is probably one of the scariest forms of trickery, particularly when it's done against a political candidate."

Dag Vega, a spokesman for Kerry's campaign, said, "The smear tactics have started already."

Kerry, who co-founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War, spoke at the Register for Peace Rally on June 13, 1971, when thousands gathered for "the largest anti-war demonstration ever held on Long Island," according to a story in Newsday the next day. Light recalled Long Islanders of all ages sprawled across the State Supreme Court mall in Mineola, with American flags and peace symbols. Former members of Congress who attended included Bella Abzug, Allard Lowenstein and Lester Wolff. Folk singer Peter Yarrow entertained, and the rally ended with a burst of thunder and lightning.

Light, a student in Ohio at the time, took the picture of Kerry but never published it, and it sat in his files until two weeks ago when he shipped it to Corbis, his Seattle-based agent, which placed it in its online archives.

That is apparently where someone found it, and attempted to capitalize on the attention garnered by an authentic photo of Kerry and Fonda at a Vietnam-era rally -- seated some distance apart -- posted early this month on a Web site called www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com. The Web site's creator, Ted Sampley, a Vietnam veteran from North Carolina, said he received the doctored photo by e-mail on Wednesday from a woman in Richmond, Va.

"Thought you might want to include this pic on your site," said the note from Loree Siemek, with an attachment called "HanoiJohn.jpg," a takeoff on "Hanoi Jane," the derisive nickname given to Fonda by her critics during the Vietnam era. It is made to look like a newspaper clipping, headlined "Fonda Speaks to Vietnam Veterans at Anti- War Rally," with an Associated Press photo credit. Sampley said he was immediately skeptical, and e-mailed it to some friends who concluded it was faked. He did not post it.

"I looked at it and it didn't feel right," Sampley said in an interview. "It just looked too good."

Siemek, 34, reached by phone, said she found the picture on a conservative Internet message board and had no idea it was phony.

"This thing has spiraled out of control," Siemek said. "If I had any thought that photo was not real, I would never have forwarded it to the veterans' group."
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.
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socialchange
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 11:34 pm
I totally agree with you that we need to vote this man out of office!!!
I recently came across a CD this woman put out of a spoken word piece called "the Only Bush I Trust Is My Own". Everytime I listen to it it inspires me to do something to affect a change in our governmental system and in our society in general. I highly highly recommend that anyone who wants Bush out to buy this CD and pass on the web address to all of your anti-Bush friends. The CD is funny but it is also a diagnosis of society that is right on the mark as far as I am concerned. You guys have to hear this.

Edit (Moderator): Link removed
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 11:49 pm
An open letter to president Bush.
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An Open Letter from Michael Moore to George "I'm a War President!" Bush
February 11, 2004 (67th anniversary of the Great Flint Sit-Down Strike)

Dear Mr. Bush,

Thank you for providing the illegible Xeroxed partial payroll sheets (or
whatever they were) yesterday covering a few of your days in the National
Guard. Now we know that, not only didn't you complete your tour of duty, you
were actually paid for work you never did. Did you cash those checks? Wouldn't
that be, um, illegal?

Watching the press aggressively demand the truth from your press secretary --
and refusing to accept the deceit, the dodging, and the cover-up -- was a
sight to behold, something we really haven't seen since you took office
(to watch or listen to the entire press conference, or to read the full transcript,
go here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040210-3.html).

More than one reporter pointed out that those pieces of paper your press
secretary waved at them yesterday mean nothing. Even if they aren't forged
documents, getting paid does not necessarily mean you showed up to do
your duties. As retired Army Col. Dan Smith, a 26-year veteran, told the AP:

"Pay records don't mean anything except that you're in or you're out,"
said Smith. "It doesn't necessarily reflect what duty you've actually performed
because pay records simply record your unit of assignment and then all of
your pay and benefits per pay period."

Mr. Bush, this issue is not going to go away -- and I think yesterday's
actions just dug you into a deeper hole. You're probably wondering why
the heck this story won't just die. You probably thought that after I brought it
up last month and then got slammed by Peter Jennings for uttering the "d" word,
the whole matter would just disappear as fast as bag of blow being thrown out
the window of a speeding car on a deserted Maine highway.

But your "desertion" didn't go away -- and here's the reason why. You have
sent countless numbers of our sons and daughters in the National Guard to
their deaths in the last 11 months. You did this while misleading their parents
and the nation with bogus lies about weapons of mass destruction and scary
phony Saddam ties to al Qaeda. You sent them off to a never-ending war so that
your benefactors at Halliburton and the oil companies could line their pockets.
And then you had the audacity to prance around in a soldier's uniform on an
aircraft carrier proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" -- while the cameras
from your re-election campaign ad agency rolled.

THAT is what makes this whole business of you being AWOL so despicable,
and makes the grief-stricken relatives want to turn away from you in disgust.
The reason your skipping-out on your enlistment didn't matter in the 2000
election was because we were not at war. Being stuck in a deadly, daily quagmire
now in 2004 makes your military history-fiction and your fly-boy costume VERY
relevant.

You still have not answered the questions surrounding your National Guard
"service." Let me repeat them as simply as I can for you (all of them based on
the investigative work of the Associated Press and the Boston Globe):

1. How were you able to jump ahead of 500 other applicants to get into
the Texas Air National Guard, thus guaranteeing you would not have to go to
Vietnam? What calls did your father (who was then a United States Congressman
representing Texas) make on your behalf for you to get this assignment?

2. Why were you grounded (not allowed to fly) after you either failed
your physical or failed to take it in July 1972? Was there a reason you were
afraid to take the physical? Or, did you take it and not pass it? If so, why
didn't you pass it? Was it the urine test? The records show that, after the
Guard spent years and lots of money training you to be a pilot, you never flew for
the rest of your time in the Guard. Why?

3. Can you produce one person who can verify that he served with you in
the Guard during the year that your Texas commanders said you did not show
up? Why have you failed to bring forth anyone who served with you in the Guard
while you were in Alabama? Why hasn't ONE SINGLE PERSON come forward?

4. Can you tell us what you did when you claim to have shown up in Alabama
for Guard duty? What were you duties? You were grounded, so what did they
have you do instead?

5. Where are the sign-up sheets that would have your name and service number
on them for each weekend you showed up? Aaron Brown on CNN told us how,
when he was in the reserves, he had to sign in each time he reported, and his
guest from the Washington Post said, that's right, and there would be "four copies
of that record" in the files of various agencies. Will you ask those agencies
to release those records?

6. If you were in fact paid for that time when you apparently went AWOL,
will you authorize the IRS to release your 1972-73 tax returns?

7. How did you get an honorable discharge? What strings were pulled? Who
called who? Look, I'm sorry to have put you through all this. I was just goofing
around when I made that comment about wanting to see a debate between the
general and the deserter. I had no idea that it would lead to this. And there you
were, having to suffer through Tim Russert on Sunday, saying weird things like
"I'm a war president!" I guess you believe that, or you want us to believe that.
Americans have never voted out a Commander-in-Chief during a war. I guess
that's what you're hoping for. You need the war.

But we don't. And our troops in the National Guard don't either. I know
you see the writing on the wall, so why not come clean now? We are a
forgiving people, and though you will not be returned to White House, you
will find us grateful for a little bit of truth. Answer our questions, apologize
to the nation, and bring our kids home.

Yours,
Michael Moore

[email protected]
www.michaelmoore.com
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 12:32 am
Wouldn't it be great if the president actually had to answer these questions in front of the whole world? I'd love to see that cocky, spoiled little worm squirm, especially after seeing him act like a little boy playing cowboy for the past four years.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 12:44 am
Actually, it's been three years and one month. It just "seems" longer with all the damage he's done in this world.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 06:28 am
Come on.
""The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution," Mr Bush

Does anyone believe that Dubya the Dunce made up the sentence above?

Iraq will be a three territory country after the civil war there and those territories won't be democratic. I suspect that the Neo Fascists knew this would be a possible result. The takeover of land and resources by the Multi-Natls. will still take place after the dust settles. The US will have an Embassy in all three territories and US troops will still have bases in the areas.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 08:09 am
Re: Come on.
pistoff wrote:
""The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution," Mr Bush

Does anyone believe that Dubya the Dunce made up the sentence above?

Does anyone believe that Clinton didn't have speech writers? (Does anyone have any idea what pistoff's point is?) Rolling Eyes
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 10:00 am
Bush's abortion tale is being reported in the overseas mainstream press:

Google News search: "bush abortion girlfriend"
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 10:53 am
PDiddie wrote:
Bush's abortion tale is being reported in the overseas mainstream press:

Google News search: "bush abortion girlfriend"

Um, that's Larry Flint's abortion tale about Bush. And of course people are reporting that Flint has made such a claim. Your statement seems to suggest that foreign press are reporting the same story as Flint, rather than reporting on Flint's story. Those are very different things. Did you mean to leave your wording open to the wrong inference? Shocked :wink:
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 10:56 am
Scrat, has your smilie pic been photoshopped, I don't believe those two were ever really together.
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