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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2003 03:08 pm
Another example of abuse of power by the administration.This is a threat to national security?
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Within days of the July 2002 fire, Secret Service and other federal agents were at Patrick's house here. His mother, Denise Collier, said they told her that the young men had "blown up the president's boat" in what might have been "a terrorist act." One federal firearms agent told her, Ms. Collier recalled, that the incident had raised "national security concerns."

Patrick then found himself in a highly unusual predicament. Instead of being tried in local juvenile court, he was turned over to the United States attorney's office in Portland, tried in Federal District Court and found guilty. He was given the maximum sentence allowed: 30 months incarceration, followed by 27 months of probation. He was then sent to a maximum security juvenile facility in Pennsylvania on the order of the federal Bureau of Prisons.

Now, while I certainly don't condone the actions of these two brain donors, isn't this a little STUPID?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2003 03:19 pm
Yes, that is a bit extreme. They should have been able to find a prison in Maine that could hold him.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2003 03:21 pm
"They" have to tie everything to National Security to keep the American People in FEAR. It's worked for two years even though there's been no terrorist attack in the US since nine-eleven. It's working quite well, thank you! The strategy is to keep this FEAR working until the next election. I think it's gonna work.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2003 04:47 pm
FromCNN.com
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LAPD: 'Pre-emptive' arrests made to get terror info
Federal source says investigation 'trying to beat a ticking clock'

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 Posted: 4:42 PM EST (2142 GMT)

Police search a car as part of stepped-up screening at Los Angeles International Airport.


LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- In response to the national terrorism alert, Los Angeles police have made "a number of pre-emptive arrests," a high-ranking LAPD source said Tuesday.

Those arrests were made in the past 48 hours and included people who came to authorities' attention after the September 11, 2001, al Qaeda terror attacks in the United States.

The source stressed that none has been charged with any terrorism-related offense but were rounded up on unrelated charges -- in one case, credit card fraud -- in an effort to get information about possible threats. None of those picked up was identified.

A federal law enforcement source told CNN a number of grand jury subpoenas have been issued in the Los Angeles area in the past few days as part of a "massive investigative effort" -- with a real sense, the source said, of "trying to beat a ticking clock."


Seems a little fishy to me......
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2003 04:51 pm
You're right, c.i., and it's absolutely ridiculous.

They can talk of nothing today on the news except 'code orange', the nebulous and ubiquitous al-Qaeda (CNN keeps re-rolling tape of black-hooded men running and jumping), and now mad cow disease.

If something does happen it's hard for me to understand how it eventually gets spun to Bush's political benefit...
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2003 08:34 am
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/12/24/pastor/story.jpg
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In the heart of the Bluegrass, a Bible Belt preacher is rallying people to political action around what he calls "basic religious values." Think you can describe his politics? Think again. This man of the cloth wants "regime change" in Washington.

The Rev. Albert Pennybacker, a Lexington, Ky.-based pastor, is head of the Clergy Leadership Network, a new, cross-denominational group of liberal and moderate religious leaders seeking to counter the influence of the religious right and to mobilize voters to change leadership in Washington. Pennybacker, affiliated with the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and a pastor of 35 years, is tired of the conventional wisdom that equates religiosity with conservatism. Nationwide, he says, the religious right often squeezes out the left in public debate.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/12/24/pastor/index_np.html
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2003 08:38 am
Go Brothah Pennybacker!

And a Merry Christmas to you and yours, Bernie.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2003 08:51 am
P

And the same to you, sir. And to all else here almost without exception.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2003 08:55 am
Though I'm tempted to limit my posts to the seasonal, this one falls under the heading of "lying...an administration strategy for all seasons"

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http://slate.msn.com/id/2093162/
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2003 09:29 am
I'm still waiting for the outing of the White House Leak about a CIA operative.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2003 09:33 am
dys

I know...the value of lying constantly is that each past instance falls into invisibility as the new ones briefly shimmer.

To you and D...the merriest of christmases.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2003 08:52 pm
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of ya. Or other culturally appropriate seasonal platitudes as may be applicable. :wink: Laughing
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 01:07 pm
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If there is anything that might be accurately termed "anti-American" in France today, it's pretty much confined to far-left critics who view the excesses of the Bush Administration as inherent in the American system and not as the radical anomaly they are. By the same token, the pro-interventionists who, like Bush himself, level indiscriminate charges of anti-Americanism at those who oppose those excesses make the similar mistake of presuming the current Administration to be representative of American values. The greater sensitivity to anti-Americanism in France today may, paradoxically, be due in part to the Bush Administration, whose radicalism has made it more important than ever to distinguish the nation from its policies. This was one of the fundamental points made in another much-discussed book of the past year, Après l'empire (translated into English as After the Empire), by Emmanuel Todd, a demographer and sociologist whose 1976 book, The Final Fall, correctly predicted the breakup of the Soviet sphere. Todd writes:


Thinking reasonably about America in no way means trying to get rid of it, diminish it, or undertake any other fantasy-filled violence toward it. What the world needs is not that America disappear but that it return to its true self--democratic, liberal, and productive.

It is equally important to distinguish prejudice from sincere dissent. Many of the millions who filled Europe's streets last winter wear Levi's and Nikes, watch American movies, read American authors and probably eat more hamburgers than they would like to admit. They oppose not America but the politics of force, coercion and unregulated capitalism promoted by a small handful of people at the summit of world power. Their massive turnout was as much a message to their own conservative leaders--especially in Italy and Spain--as it was a challenge to the United States.

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20040112&s=sartarelli
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Dec, 2003 01:40 pm
blatham, Good article. Must keep things in perspective. We are too often bombarded by negative information about the French.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2003 05:50 pm
Bush:67--Dean:21 National Security Confidence
One big, bad poll.
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landshark135
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2003 07:14 pm
Bush should be fed Mad Cow beef
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2003 07:16 pm
...since you've obviously already had your helping...
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landshark135
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2003 08:10 pm
Lets talk about replacing bush in 04
What good has he done for you?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2003 08:34 pm
Smile 10 points for originality, landshark, and 10 more for your screen name.

I needed my tax refund; I wanted protection from terrorists and a military ready for anything; I can play the stock market with much more confidence; my community has reopened several manufacturing plants and re-employed more than 96% of those who want to work; teachers are held to a standard; my husband's healthcare (the VA) has finally received the biggest increase in years...

From the little to the life-changing, my life and the lives of my family have been impacted in very tangible, positive ways.

In addition, I believe the changes made in Iraq will reverberate (as has begun with Qaddafi) and what Bush has begun will result in a more peaceable ME.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2003 09:34 pm
Sofia, Many of us are hoping you are right~! If not, all the sacrifices would have been in vain.
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