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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 17 Dec, 2003 07:00 am
Sources:
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At his press conference yesterday, President Bush was asked about charges that he had received warnings prior to the September 11th attacks that a terrorist incident was imminent. He answered that even asking such a question was "an absurd insinuation."1 It was the same sentiment expressed by Bush's National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, who said in May of 2002 that "[no one predicted] that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane."2

The problem for the president and the administration is that the White House has previously admitted that the president had personally received such specific warnings. As ABC News reported in May of 2002, "White House officials acknowledge that U.S. intelligence officials informed President Bush weeks before the September 11th attacks that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack American planes." As Condoleezza Rice said at a hastily called press conference to spin these revelations, the President specifically received an "analytic report" on August 6th, 2001 at his Crawford mansion that "talked about Osama bin Laden's methods of operation" and "mentioned hijacking."4 According to Reuters, that report was congruent with "intelligence since 1998 that said followers of bin Laden were planning to strike U.S. targets, hijack U.S. planes."5

While the administration claims that the president's pre-9/11 warning was actually "not a warning," the threat was specific enough for Attorney General John Ashcroft to stop flying commercial airlines. While no warning was issued for the general public after Bush's personal intelligence warning, Ashcroft was flying exclusively by leased jet instead of commercial airlines because of an official "threat assessment by the FBI."6

1. President Bush Holds Press Conference, 12/15/2003.
2. "Report Warned Of Suicide Hijackings", CBS News, 05/17/2002.
3. "Bush Was Warned of Hijackings Before 9/11; Lawmakers Want Public Inquiry", ABC News, 05/16/2002.
4. National Security Advisor Holds Press Briefing, 05/16/2002.
5. Reuters, 7/24/03.
6. "Ashcroft Flying High", CBS News, 07/26/2001.


The Daily Mislead
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 17 Dec, 2003 10:12 am
georgeob1 wrote:
OK by me, but we start with France, and work down the list ranked by the degree of delusion, pomposity and silliness. It will take us some time to get out of Europe this way.

Wonderful! Laughing
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 09:44 am
On the question of 'what is it that we use as measure for to judge economic policies'...which may have been a conversation on this thread...it was somewhere...
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Hunger and homelessness increased in many of America's largest cities this year, with growing demand for emergency food supplies for families with children, the elderly and even people with jobs, a survey by U.S. mayors finds.

The report by the U.S. Conference of Mayors, released Thursday, found that requests for emergency food assistance rose 17 percent overall from last year in the survey of 25 large cities. Requests for emergency shelter assistance increased by 13 percent, the report showed.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/wire/2003/12/18/homeless/index.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 10:45 am
blatham, Something very strange is going on. In the latest poll, 47 percent of Americans said they will vote for Bush in the next election. These same people are continually falling into the economic destitute class while we spend billions in Iraq. What gives?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 11:24 am
Give the chattering masses explosions on their tv screen, and they will smile their toothless smiles, eat their macaroni and cheese, and wave their polyester flags proudly. Sad
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 11:25 am
hobitbob wrote:
Give the chattering masses explosions on their tv screen, and they will smile their toothless smiles, eat their macaroni and cheese, and wave their polyester flags proudly. Sad


You forgot your usual slam on Walmart. I am surprised you don't slam popular music and TV as well.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 11:26 am
Hmmm...someone saw themselves in my comment. Wink
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 11:30 am
Maybe, but I did see your usual amount of bitterness towards the average American.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 12:34 pm
blatham wrote:
On the question of 'what is it that we use as measure for to judge economic policies'...which may have been a conversation on this thread...it was somewhere...
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Hunger and homelessness increased in many of America's largest cities this year, with growing demand for emergency food supplies for families with children, the elderly and even people with jobs, a survey by U.S. mayors finds.

The report by the U.S. Conference of Mayors, released Thursday, found that requests for emergency food assistance rose 17 percent overall from last year in the survey of 25 large cities. Requests for emergency shelter assistance increased by 13 percent, the report showed.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/wire/2003/12/18/homeless/index.html

Would it surprise you to know that homelessness increased steadily under Clinton? You'd never have known it from the dearth of media coverage. Seems homelessness is only a concern when there's a Republican in the White House.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 01:50 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Maybe, but I did see your usual amount of bitterness towards the average American.


toothless smiles, macaroni and cheese and drooling in front of the tv probably is the average american deep in the heart of the adirondacks old boy, but there's nothing bitter about noticing it, commenting on it, or striving to NOT be it.......

It's more of a pathetic and sad than a bitter observation in my humble opinion, but hobitbob is calling it like he sees it. Bob, for what it's worth, I concur. Very Happy
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 02:13 pm
or, in the Texas panhandle .............
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 02:17 pm
read today in USA today that Texas and Florida are the two leading states in the union that have slashed health care benefits to underprivileged children.........what a surprise.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 02:18 pm
yes Fla and Tx, the beating heart of compassionate conservatism...... Laughing
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 02:21 pm
Actually, I was thinking of Bawl'mer, but Texas and Florida work just as well. Smile
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 02:27 pm
That's one of the reasons I quit the republican party; they're all heart (and no soul).
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Dec, 2003 02:29 pm
The most recent news was GWBush visiting the wounded soldiers at Walter Reed. His rhetoric was the same; "you're the best, and we are all proud of you." It made my stomach turn. Wonder what other veteran benefits he's gonna take away from our heroes this time?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 03:30 pm
George W. Bush spent most of December sinking in the polls, but a few beats on the war drum in the past seven days --Saddam caught! Gadhafi rolls over! -- and suddenly the trend is reversed.

This pattern will be repeated throughout the coming year. This is precisely Karl Rove's strategy to re-elect Bush in 2004.

Ironically, the bloc of Americans now poised to keep Bush in the White House is the one which stands to lose the most from nearly every single one of his policies: blue-collar men.

A full 49 percent of them and 38 percent percent of blue-collar women told a January 2003 Roper poll they would vote for Bush in 2004.

Here's some excerpts on this strange phenomenon from "Let Them Eat War", by Arlie Hochschild:

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The blue-collar vote is huge. Skilled and semi-skilled manual jobs are on the decline, of course, but if we count as blue-collar those workers without a college degree, as Ruy Teixeira and Joel Rogers do in their book Why the White Working Class Still Matters, then blue-collar voters represent 55 percent of all voters. They are, the authors note, the real swing vote in America. "Their loyalties shift the most from election to election and in so doing determine the winners in American politics."

This fact has not been lost on Republican strategists, who are now targeting right-leaning blue-collar men, or as they call them, "Nascar Dads." These are, reporter Liz Clarke of the Washington Post tells us, "lower or middle-class men who once voted Democratic but who now favor Republicans." Nascar Dads, commentator Bill Decker adds, are likely to be racing-car fans, live in rural areas, and have voted for Bush in 2000. Bush is giving special attention to steelworkers, autoworkers, carpenters and other building-trades workers, according to Richard Dunham and Aaron Bernstein of Business Week, and finding common cause on such issues as placing tariffs on imported steel and offering tax breaks on pensions.

We can certainly understand why Bush wants blue-collar voters. But why would a near majority of blue-collar voters still want Bush? Millionaires, billionaires for Bush, well, sure; he's their man. But why pipe fitters and cafeteria workers? Some are drawn to his pro-marriage, pro-church, pro-gun stands, but could those issues override a voter's economic self-interest?


Here's a small part of an interview with Hochschild:

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This really gets at who wins in November, from where I sit.

Either the Dems will be able to convince enough of these guys that they're getting hosed by the Republicans, or they won't.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 04:07 pm
PDid, If the Bush-backers are anything like we have on A2K, the dems don't have a prayer. It's amazing isn't it? Almost three million jobs lost, no new jobs promised by his tax cut, more middle class going bankrupt, more soldiers getting killed in Iraq, spending billions on Iraq that this country can't afford, and they still want this guy back. I can't figure it out; maybe somebody else can. It's a big mystery to me that doesn't reconcile with anything that seems logical. Add to all this crap the contracts given to Halliburton and Bechtel, and the rip off from their operations, and they still want this guy back. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 04:31 pm
Denial is no longer merely an Egyptian river. Confused
I think the articles hit the nail on its pointy little head. Bush appeals to the "red meat, strong daddy" instincts of the lower middle classes. He also appeals to the hope they have that things will get better, because this can't all really be happening, can it?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 04:52 pm
Actually, if the stock market continues its upward trend for the next five years that we experienced in 2003, we're gonna be so rich, I wouldn't be able to stand it. Our retirement investments are up about $109,000 as of last Friday for YTD, and I'm a conservative investor. Wink
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