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Let's talk about replacing GWBush in 2004.

 
 
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 11:29 am
That's pretty telling Walter......maybe our sitting (on his ass) president(?) needs a helpful intern to keep him focused :wink:
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 11:47 am
A more complete picture, Walter. Actually, I'd be careful quoting these statistics as if it's anything like the stock market, everytime someone starts shouting "it's up, it's up!" -- it goes down and often loses the gains of the past several months. I know my stock dividends are nothing to crow about and that's what I go by because we keep stock for many, many years and only reform our portfolio once a year.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 11:48 am
(I'm actually doing better buying art prints right now as I'm buying so ridiculously low that I can see making 100% to 300% in the next few years).

Bi-Polar -- he has his poetry to keep him focused. Laughing
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 12:02 pm
WSJ: Growth accellerates, surpassing expectations, Tax Cuts Drive Recovery

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The economists surveyed raised their estimate for third-quarter growth to 5%, up from the 4.7% rate they predicted in a September survey and from 3.6% in August.

The economists surveyed attributed the recent strengthening of the economy to President Bush's pro-growth policies.

Many economists attributed the strength in consumer spending to the latest federal-tax reductions. Some economists said they were caught off-guard by the extent of the stimulus created by the cuts,
which included rebate checks for some families of as much as $400 per child.
Consumer spending rose a strong 0.8% in August from July, after a 0.9% advance the previous month.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 12:05 pm
The Christmas season spending will give a better idea of what direction consumer spending is headed. Again, I wouldn't crow about one month increases of anything -- it's like heating up the swimming pool in Spring. A sure way to make it rain. "The economist?" What economists?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 12:27 pm
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I wouldn't crow about one month increases of anything

...and I wouldn't reflexively bat down one more indicator of an improving economy...
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 12:31 pm
and I wouldn't sandpaper a wildcats' ass in a telephone booth

appropo of nothing I wanted to mention that..... Cool
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 12:40 pm
Is that the reason Roy got chomped? Shocked
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 12:40 pm
You notice Dubya stopped crowing about the stock market increases. Everytime he did, it would sink.

I'm a glass half full person but I don't get excited about one more drop in the glass. When I see it reverse and begin filling up, even gradually over a year, I get excited. Not from the "Show Me" state, but "Show me the money." I still can't see attributing it to just tax cuts. There are too many other factors that improves consumer confidence and pressures the economy upward. Don't see it happening yet in my businesses.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 12:43 pm
BTW, this isn't a tennis match, but if I'm batting any balls -- someone gave me a racket (sic) with a large hole in it and I believe it's got a name. Dubya's economic politicies. Despite how he talks big about helping small business, it's not panning out with anyone I know who owns a small business (and that's not just in California, as my business associates are nationwide).
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 12:53 pm
LW, the WSJ does a monthly survey of 52 leading economists, from which the reports and projections are developed. And while one month's single indicator does not make a trend, the trend as revealed by more and more indicators month-by-month over the past year demonstrates a steadily strengthening economy.

An observation re the Gallup Economic Confidence ratings: the 2000 highpoint matches with the collapse of The Tech Bubble and the onset of the most recent recession, while the '92 low was followed by the largest economic expansion in history. The correlations are intriguing.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 12:58 pm
Are they willing to name these "leading economists" or is it a secret? Quite frankly, polls don't impress me unless I know the demographic (just one factor) and any biases the polling concern has in polling. That goes for left wing pollsters as well. Were not seeing anything like the stock market increases after the late 80's crash to the late nineties almost unbelievable highs. "The Tech Bubble" has always been a fascinating abstraction that these analyst throw up into the wind -- I think they are sleeping with those ad guys on Madison Ave.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 12:59 pm
Not that I don't see some water trickling into the half full glass, it's just that there seems to be a leak somewhere that has to be stopped up. I think that leak is located somewhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 01:38 pm
The economists participating in the monthly WSJ forecasting survey include a broad spectrum of academics, major fund managers, and Wall Street analysts of national stature. The survey's accuracy over many years has been quite good. The specific individuals comprising the sample set varies a bit, as does the size of the sample set. There are usualy 50+ respondants selected from among recognized leaders in the field of economic analysis.

From QUICKEN:

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In economic news, the Labor Department announced early Friday that producer prices rose by 0.3% in September, after rising by 0.4% in August. Excluding usually volatile food and energy costs, core prices saw their pace of growth unchanged from August's 0.1% rise. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires and CNBC had forecast both overall prices and core prices would show a rise of 0.1%.

The numbers validated the Federal Reserve's view that the faster economic growth expected over the next year and a half isn't likely to fan inflation.

Separately, the Commerce Department reported the U.S. trade deficit narrowed for a fifth straight month in August, falling to $39.21 billion, from a revised $40.03 billion in July. Economists had expected a rise to $41.5 billion.

Meanwhile, an economic-forecasting survey of 53 top Wall Street economists showed expectations of third-quarter GDP growth of 5%, up from the 4.7% rate they predicted in a September survey and from 3.6% in August.

On Thursday, good news about retail sales and the job market helped boost the Dow industrials to close at a 15 1/2-month high despite a sudden late-day retreat. The index ended up 49.11 points at 9680.01, down from a midday high well above 9700. The Nasdaq Composite Index also saw a swing, finishing at a 19- month high of 1911.90.


It ain't all better yet, not by a longshot, but it quit getting worse a while back, and shows continuing sign of real and sustainable growth.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 01:55 pm
Unfortuantely, inflation is just how many businesses make money. They buy low and sell high. Trouble right now is they're all cautious about adding inventory even at bargain prices because of the low rate of inflation. There's too much accent on keeping down inflation. That's part of how the economic engine works. Too many don't have an understanding of that part of economics. Of course, it can not be good for some segments of society and thereby hangs the horns of the dilemma. Who you gonna satisfy?

Ahnold, for instance, says he is against special interest (unnamed, of course, except for the indian casinos where he drew back his sword during the last week of his campaign), wants to be a governor for the people. Where have I heard that tired platitude before? They get into office an become entangled into the machinery -- I suppose Ahnold believe he can strong arm the gears to move. There will either be a revelation in government or there could be a revolution and in the meaning of the word that someone is just revolving around a problem and not really doing anything about it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 02:02 pm
LW, You touched only part of how businesses make money. Part of it is inflation, but the other is margin and volume. As for Ahnold, I think he has a 51 percent chance of doing some good over harm. He's recruiting some smart, savvy, political people on his team. Let's give him a little rope before we hang him in effigy.
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wolf
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 06:39 pm
Yes, Ahnuld deserves credit for (e.g.) combining environment and job creation. Let's just hope the hawks won't pluck his good intentions before they blossom.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 06:42 pm
Hear me now, and believe me later--
I think Arnold may be good, despite how odd we think this whole thing is...
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 06:50 pm
Ahnold is our governor -- I'm always willing to give the benefit of the doubt and encourage someone to try their hand at fixing the problems specifically in California. I also am a skeptic (having been involved in scientific studies in my careers). He's going to have to be articulate and convincing. The mono-syllabic, heavy accented delivery doesn't help. But then, our President is squeaking through with a marked speech impediment. It's just if Ahnold delivers on liberal social issues like civil unions, he's going to piss off the religious right. If he doesn't, however, he won't get the liberal Democratic legislature and state officials to go along with conservative fiscal measures. It's indeed complicated. Hope it's not too complicated for someone who only had to learn five or so lines a day in making movies. He's used up all of those, incidentally, in the campaign so they are just going to get tiresome for here on.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 06:51 pm
Okay, no fair picking out the one-upsmanship barbs in that paragraph, especially you-know-who.
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