Timber- I can assure you that a figurative poke in the nose can hurt much more than a real one.
George OB 1- I may be wrong but I think you are a few years older than I am. Please forgive me for coming to that conclusion.
I think you are very well informed and obviously well read. There is no one else on these threads who understands the difficult problems involved in the "alleged" Global Warming controversy as well as you do.
However, I must tell you that I am a person who will not tolerate lies.
When a person tells me that George W. Bush has lie, I will not tolerate it and will respond in kind---------
If that person can prove that George W. Bush has lied, he or she may of course send the evidence to the House of Representatives so that a deliberation can be made as to whether he should be impeached.
If they cannot gather the evidence or no evidence is available, then, of course, according to the guidelines of these posts they.may say:
IT IS MY OPINION THAT GEORGE W. BUSH LIED.
and I will respond- IT IS MY OPINION THAT HE DID NOT.
CHECKMATE.
Now, George Ob 1- You may feel that score keeping is not important. I do not agree, I do my best each day to see to it that my country goes in the direction which I have decided is best for me and my family.
Do these threads matter?
They do to me and they very well may to others who are reading them.
To me it is a fight to the death. The enemies of my God and my country can be given no quarter whenever and whereever I find them.
That is why every victory- such as the re-map in Texas is precious to me.
But thank you for your comments George OB 1-
I want you to know that in my mind you are one of the most logical and erudite posters on these threads.
> Subject: Heaven or Hell?
>
>
> While walking down the street one day, George "Dubya" Bush is shot by
> a disgruntled NRA member. His soul arrives in heaven and he is met by
> St.Peter at the Pearly Gates.
>
> "Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems
> there is a problem: We seldom see a Republican around these parts, so
> we're not sure what to do with you."
>
> "No problem, just let me in; I'm a believer." says Dubya.
>
> "I'd like to just let you in, but I have orders from the Man
> Himself: He says you have to spend one day in Hell and one day in
> Heaven. Then you must choose where you'll live for eternity."
>
> "But, I've already made up my mind; I want to be in Heaven."
>
> "I'! m sorry, but we have our rules." And with that, St. Peter
> escorts him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to
> Hell.
>
> The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a lush golf
> course; the sun is shining in a cloudless sky, the temperature a perfect
> 72 degrees. In the distance is a beautiful clubhouse. Standing in front
> of it is dad...and thousands of other Republicans who had helped him
> out over the years: Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Jerry Falwell.... The whole
> of the "Right" was there...everyone laughing...happy.... casually but
> expensively dressed. They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce
> about the good times they had getting rich at expense of the "suckers
> and peasants". They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on
> lobster and caviar.
>
> The Devil himself comes up to Bush with a frosty drink, "Have a
> Margarita and rela! x, Dubya!". "Uh, I can't drink no more, I took a
> pledge," says Junior, dejectedly.
>
> "This is Hell, son: you can drink and eat all you want and not
> worry, and it just gets better from there!"
>
> Dubya takes the drink and finds himself liking the Devil, who he
> thinks is a really very friendly guy who tells funny jokes and pulls
> hilarious nasty pranks, kind of like a Yale Skull and Bones brother with
> real horns.
>
> They are having such a great time that, before he realizes it, it's
> time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Bush steps on the
> elevator and heads upward.
>
> When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and St. Peter
> is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit Heaven," the old man says,
> opening the gate.
>
> So for 24 hours Bush is made to hang out with a bunch of honest,
> good-natured people who enjoy ! each other's company, talk about things
> other than money, and treat each other decently. Not a nasty prank or
> frat boy joke among them; no fancy country clubs and, while the food
> tastes great, it's not caviar or lobster. And these people are all poor,
> he doesn't see anybody he knows, and he isn't even treated like someone
> special! Worst of all, to Dubya, Jesus turns out to be some kind of
> Jewish hippie with his endless 'peace' and 'do unto others' jive.
>
> "Whoa," he says uncomfortably to himself, "Pat Robertson never
> prepared me for this!"
>
> The day done, St. Peter returns and says, "Well, then, you've spent
> a day in Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to live for
> eternity."
>
> With the 'Jeopardy' theme playing softly in the background, Dubya
> reflects for a minute, then answers: "Well, I would never have thought
> I'd say this-I mean, He! aven has been delightful and all-but I really
> think I belong in Hell with my friends."
>
> So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down,
> down, all the way to Hell.
>
> The doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren
> scorched earth covered with garbage and toxic industrial waste.. kind of
> like Houston. He is horrified to see all of his friends, dressed in rags
> and chained together, picking up the trash and putting it in black
> bags. They are groaning and moaning in pain, faces and hands black with
> grime. The Devil comes over to Dubya and puts an arm around his shoulder.
>
> "I don't understand," stammers a shocked Dubya, "Yesterday I was
> here and there was a golf course and a clubhouse and we ate lobster and
> caviar... drank booze. We screwed around and had a great time. Now
> there's just a wasteland full of garbage and everybod! y looks miserable!"
>
> The Devil looks at him, smiles slyly, and purrs, "Yesterday we were
> campaigning; today you voted for us."
>
>
>
>
> Dissent is the highest form of patriotism---
> THOMAS JEFFERSON
More on the far right fundies and their insanity:
Robertson performs another act of pedophagia
Quote:Pat Robertson's 'nuke' idea draws protest
State Dept. spokesman: 'Idea is despicable'
Thursday, October 9, 2003 Posted: 10:21 PM EDT (0221 GMT)
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Television evangelist and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson's suggestion that a nuclear device should be used to wipe out the State Department was "despicable," department spokesman Richard Boucher said Thursday.
"I lack sufficient capabilities to express my disdain," Boucher said. "I think the very idea is despicable."
A senior State Department official, who did not want to be identified, said the department has expressed its displeasure to Robertson.
Robertson made the comments during a series of interviews on his "700 Club" television show with journalist Joel Mowbray, author of a new book, "Dangerous Diplomacy: How the State Department Endangers America's Security."
Robertson founded the Christian Coalition in 1989 after running for U.S. president as a Republican in 1988.
Introducing Mowbray on his show, Robertson said that a reader of his book could conclude that the State Department needed a nuclear explosion.
"I read your book," Robertson said. "When you get through, you say, 'If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer,' and you say, 'We've got to blow that thing up.' I mean, is it as bad as you say?" Robertson said.
"It is," Mowbray said, although his book never suggests that the State Department should be blown up with a nuclear device.
Foggy Bottom is the nickname for the State Department's Washington headquarters.
In a June interview with Mowbray on the "700 Club", Robertson made similar remarks.
"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up like Newt Gingrich wants to do," he said.
Robertson was referring to former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who was part of a group of conservatives accusing the State Department of undermining U.S. foreign policy by coddling authoritarian governments in the Middle East.
Mowbray has been a critic of the State Department, especially its visa program with Saudi Arabia. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers in the September 11, 2001, attacks were Saudi citizens.
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All these christians are beginning to frighten me. GWBush didn't seem to have the right intelligence to kill over 7,000 Iraqis, and now Robertson is talking about nuking the state department. God's work, I guess.
Y'know, I would almost call this sedition and treason! All sorts of nut-jobs watch his broadcasts. I'm sure there is someone out there right now trying to figure out how to do this, because if ol'Pat suggested it, it must be what god wants!
I spent election day travelling on a series of ferries from Vancouver to a remote Gulf Island. With the new Harper's magazine and books by Michael Moore and Hunter Thompson, I had lots to read. Unfortunately, all of it set me up for a 24 hour bout of cavernous depression upon hearing the election results.
If Californians, I thought, could be so politically childish as to elect Arnold, then the larger national population might well be dumb enough to give Bush another term. It became conceivable that this could actually happen.
I want to wish your nation the very best of luck.
We need it.....you got room in your basement for a family of bears?
Blatham, Bi Polar Bear,
We'll do well. California has been liberated from a spineless, pandering government that has totally screwed up its management of energy supply, and which has created enormous future financial liability through its obscene grants of pensions to government employee unions which are its largest political contributors. California must address the excessive cost of its government, its tax structure which puts it at the top of that list in this country, and its runaway regulatory structure that is driving business and productive economic activity from the state. It isn't at all clear that Arnold will be able or have the wisdom & skill to solve all of this, but is seems very likely he will keep it from getting any worse - and that is real progress.
Despite all the propaganda and distorted pre election polling of the LA Times and other Democrat media, is is very clear that this was a victory that transcended all the various groups of people in the state, and it was the result of a very democratic process. I suggest the surprise of the various Democrat groups and supporters is an indicator of their blindness to the realities of both the situation and the public mind.
As Blatham suggests it may (emphasize may) indicate a similar trend in our forthcoming national election. (Certainly the behavior and pronouncements of the Democrat ten dwarfs in their primary struggle suggests a looming defeat.) If so I will welcome it.
It was a fix IMO, and so will 2004 be. Don't come back asking for links and such, because it is too tiresome to cast ones pearls before swine.
I mean this in the figurative sense only georgebob and not as a personal insult, let me be clear about that.
Bi Polar,
No offense taken or intended.
Are you referring to irregularities in conducting the elections, or the use of the, until recently, obscure recall provision in the California constitution, or what? I'm not aware of any significant election issues in California, and , apart from sour grapes, concerning the last, very close Presidential election, I don't know of anything close to a "fix" one could come up with on a national scale.
It seems to me that, more than anything, the California outcome suggests that Democrats have become the chief (and perhaps only) consumers of thir own propaganda. Their indignant surprise and inclination to blame it on external factors suggests to me a party still in the grip of its various and disparate single issue groups and without a coherent, integrated political view, strategy, or policy.
Blatham,
Harpers, Michael Moore, and Hunter Thompson ! Sounds like a grim weekend. While the statement no doubt contained a bit of your characteristic irony, surely one with your erudition ('tho perhaps a bit selective), imagination, powers of observation and description, and wit, could find more insightful, challenging, and truly informative material.
No surprise; I'm with george here. I expect The Electorate will continue to effect much needed repair of the American politico-economic engine, undoing the damage brought about by the shoddy maintenance and inapropriate accessorizing it has suffered at the hands of The Democrats. And, as was aluded by BPB, I expect The Democrats will continue to ascribe the result of their accellerating failure to engage The Electorate not to their own shortcomings but to nefarious scheming on the part of The Republicans. "We wuz robbed" is a common plaint of those who have engineered their own defeat. Yesterday's action in The Texas Statehouse bring home the fact today's Democrats prefer to walk out than to work things out if they cannot get their own way. The American People have no sympathy for whining obstructionists, and are acting in recognition of the need to fix that which The Democrats' shortsighted, self-serving partisanship have allowed to fall into disrepair. The days of the quick fix are over; America is rebuilding herself with an eye to a better future. It appears The Democrats have chosen not to be part of the solution, but rather to champion the problem.
Opening myself to ridicule and wasting my time.....
http://www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/
sigh.....I don't know why I bother.....
No surprise either that the losers might whine. That has become their established pattern. It serves them ill.
nothing like the republicans who whined during the 8 years of Clinton's administration and even literally closed down Washington to get their way.......spent 40 million on a blow job......use Clinton as the National scapegoat even to this day........ called Chelsea ugly and yet whine when the Bush girls are caught red handed behaving like white trailer trash while the taxpayers pay their bodyguards to chauffeur them to bars.....these are now the qualities that make a winner I suppose.....it's all extremely confusing...
Gallup Oct 6-8: Bush Approval rises to 55%
Quote:More than half of the American public currently approves of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president.
Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?
± 3% Margin of Error
October 6-8, 2003
Sample Size=1,017
This poll was conducted prior to this week's PR campaign, BTW
Bi-Polar,
I read the link and recognize this issue from the pre election dispute and court action over it. I am skeptical about the numbers cited, but readily concede that punch card machines are somewhat more likely to spoil ballots than other methods. I do note that even in the extremely unlikely case that (1) the numbers are correct, and (2) that every spoiled ballot was a vote for Davis or Bustamonte, the result of the election would be unchanged.
While it is true that the Democrats are whining now, it is also true that this behavior can be found in all parts of the political spectrum - Republicans too. I wouldn't spend much energy pointing fingers in this area, except to note it as a symptom of the current disarray among Democrats.
Public opinion on the "state of the nation" can be assessed in a review of three key measures: the current president's job approval rating, the public's satisfaction with the way things are going in the country today, and public confidence in economic conditions. These three measures are represented graphically below.
STATE OF THE NATION
