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Move to make circumcision illegal

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2003 02:37 pm
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I read your rant and let me first say that circumcision in no way hurts or damages the penis.
In addition circumcision being a requirement by both Jewish and Moslem religion is not open for government intervention. You must have heard of separation of church and state.
You seem to have a personal problem with your wife regarding your sons circumcision, and now because you had no control at home you want to attack peoples religious beliefs. Calm down. go home let your wife know who is the boss. Laughing Laughing
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anddavthomas
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 07:25 am
Actually...
It's still too damaging to be carried out for religous reasons until they are 18 and would like to make the sacrifice.

Oh, yeah - it's my circumcision and I'm only 15
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anddavthomas
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 07:29 am
Just for reference
It does a F*** of a lot of damage. Reduced / almost eliminated sexual pleasure, constant disconfort, depression, lack of circulation because of the loss of artery, densensitizing, lack of many types of other things - eg. newly discovered glands that produce stuff that fights HIV, homeostasis and the penis's cleaning mechanism.

DON'T TELL ME THERE'S NO BLOODY LOSS
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anddavthomas
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 07:32 am
It is not required under islamic OR jewish law. This may convince you it's not neccessary under Islamic law: http://www.noharmm.org/mediafem.htm
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 08:11 am
Dude, if you have a botched job, take it up with your doctor. Your theory that people should wait till they are 18 would only make that decision worse for them, not to mention more risky and painful. When it's done properly, it's just fine, believe me, I know.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:21 am
Well, the original question was about the suit, and not the procedure.

All men (and some women) are created equal; they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of the big bucks through frivolous law suits . . .
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 08:41 am
Forsooth! Foreskin....
ripped from me and other min,
unholy Mohel's blade!
Destroys what god has made!
The covenant be damned,
I need to be a man
whole, restored,
so I can get off my issue
and return to just being bored.
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bijoununya
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2003 08:48 pm
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We don't need body piercings either but it's done thousands of times daily and waging lawsuits over it in an attempt to have it made illegal would be plain stupid, just as this lawsuit is...


Wow, there are actually people who give their newborn babies body piercings? I had no idea. Laughing
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:47 am
bijoununya- Welcome to A2K! Very Happy

I have not seen body piercings on infants, unless you consider pierced ears body piercing. I think that it is gross to see a tiny baby wearing earrings!
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bijoununya
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 08:42 am
Hi, and thanks for the welcome. I do not believe in ear piercings for babies either. If my daughter asks for them when she gets older, so be it, but I'm not going to modify her body w/out her permission.

Sorry to drag an old topic to the top, but it is a huge topic of interest for me. Circumcision, that is.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 08:53 am
Slappy Doo Hoo was so enamoured by the concept of circumcision that he got two of them and Gus had the misforture of going to a place that was advertising a "half off" special.

I bet both of them would join the move to make circumcision illegal. They are rather bitter about the whole concept.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 04:58 pm
I know where all the foreskins are shipped but I will never tell. However, if you have noticed a unusual growth when someone rubs your head well--- Embarrassed Rolling Eyes
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bijoununya
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 11:17 pm
Did any of you see the episode of "Rich Girls" on MTV with the bit about the eye cream with foreskin in it? Shocked
Hmmmm...no wonder there are $o many circumci$ion happy doctor$.
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Shajahan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2003 10:04 am
Circumcision do not pose any threat to the health of the people. It has been made a mandatory requirement for the observant muslim and jews. The story goes that Abraham received instruction from God to get this done for his offsprings. Since Jews and Muslim both claim heirdom from Abraham they follow religiously this practice. Though Christianity originates from the same location, it's not a basic requisite for observing their religion and I wonder why this practice missed out there?
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bijoununya
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2003 08:13 pm
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Circumcision do not pose any threat to the health of the people


What do you mean? Hopefully you don't mean that circumcision poses no risks or complications, because that would be false.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2003 07:18 am
bijoununya
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What do you mean? Hopefully you don't mean that circumcision poses no risks or complications, because that would be false.


What risks do you think there are? All the arguments I have seen against it herein are a bunch of hogwash. Billions of males have been and are being circumcised with virtually no ill effects, that being the case big brother has no right to interfere with a religious practice. A practice of both Judaism and Islam.

PS. It will never happen.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2003 07:43 am
Crossing the street every day poses a risk, or a possible 'complication'. Rolling Eyes
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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2003 07:49 am
A few years ago here, there was a real move away from circumcision as being unnecessary. Due to infections etc, it's made a comeback.
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bijoununya
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2003 01:53 pm
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What risks do you think there are? All the arguments I have seen against it herein are a bunch of hogwash. Billions of males have been and are being circumcised with virtually no ill effects, that being the case big brother has no right to interfere with a religious practice. A practice of both Judaism and Islam


I don't think there are risks, I know there are risks. You ever seen someone with a bent penis, pubic hair up the shaft, or a bleeding erection. These are a few complications from circumcision, and it's not a pretty sight. Adhesions are extremely common too because doctors don't always give any after-care instructions and their remaining foreskin tries to adhere back to the head of the penis where it knows it belongs. The anti-circ sites are extreme, but these horrible things would not have happened if these people if they would not have been circumcised: http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched7ex.html

P.S. Female circumcision used to be legal too, but even though it is a part of some people's religions, they will be arrested for performing it. You can't even cut a tiny piece of your daughter's labia or clitoral hood because it is illegal, but you can have your son's entire foreskin removed and we know that the foreskin has many functions.

Do you believe that people should be able to do whatever they want to do to other people just because it is in the name of their religion? If you want to remove part of your own penis as a consenting adult, go right ahead, but leave the infants alone.

Aren't suicide bombers doing what they do in the name of their religion?
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bijoununya
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2003 02:00 pm
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A few years ago here, there was a real move away from circumcision as being unnecessary. Due to infections etc, it's made a comeback.


Do you have any data or statistics to support this claim because it is entirely false. Circumcision rates are at an all time low (since the craze started) right now. The current rate of newborn circumcisions is around 60% in America. Over 80% of the world's males are left intact. Don't you think if infections were so rampant that other countries would be practicing routine infant circumcision too and that at least one of the world's major medical organizations would recommend it? Most infections are caused by people forcefully retracting their son's foreskin which can also lead to scar tissue forming. A boy should never be prematurely retracted and the only person who should try is him. Oh, and UTI's are treated with anti-biotics, not amputation.
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