Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 05:56 am
omg, she'll be getting at least $1.3 million of OUR tax dollars just to care for her 14 kids. On top of that, someone set up a fundraiser for her. wtf! She CHOSE to have these children while living with her mom and not having a job. Honey, it's time to grow up now. The stork didn't bring you these kids. YOU had these kids and you should take responsibility. Seriously, these tax dollars should go to ppl who truly deserve it, like those with far fewer children and working full time but still struggling to make ends meet. Because although it happened in The Simpsons in which a couple with nonaplets (9 babies) got all the good stuff, this is the REAL WORLD. (and nonaplets existed only in The Simpsons, btw.)
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 07:38 am
if in fact our 'tax money' went directly to her , which it does not, 1.3 MILLION dollars dispersed over almost 400 MILLION people amounts to less then a penny.

Even if she goes on complete government support ( which I read somewhere that she is? or was and is going to get more? something like that..)
again..

the trickle down from an individual person again........ is less then a penny.
Less then one cent to make sure an over extended family gets to feed people.
I do not think what she did was smart at all. especially since she is NOT in a position to take care of them. But it blows my mind that people are really screaming about "tax dollars" when it comes to giving BABIES food... yet dont argue about the unnecessary ways we are taxed everyday.

When you think of 'tax dollars' think beyond what comes out of your check. Because that is already gone before you make it, and that tax generally does not go to government programs for people. The money they get comes from grocery taxes, gas taxes, vehicle registration, renters fees, vehicle purchase tax, luxury taxes, property taxes, ........ the list goes on and on.
You only lose a few dollars per pay check, but you lose 30% or more of your income to unnecessary taxes every day just by shopping.

You are really worried about giving that penny aren't you ?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 08:00 am
Okay, I confess, I'm worried about that penny because it is really indicitive of a much larger problem.

It's not like she found herself accidentally pregnant and the dad ditched them and she's really trying to find a way to live. She had seven kids and then intentionally went out and had eight more.

Her hospital bill alone will easily reach 1.3 million.
dagmaraka
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 08:10 am
@boomerang,
some people are morons. should the children be punished because of that? i'd say not. can they be prevented from having babies? not unless some population control is established...which is what they did in China.... i would not want that either. sometimes, as a trade-off for freedom, you pay to clean up the mess the morons make. i will take that, if not happily.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 08:14 am
I'm not particularly concerned about the money. It doesn't matter how a person got into a mess. When a person is in a mess, the humane thing for us to do is to try and help. You can scold the woman for being foolish to your heart's content but those babies aren't responsible and, obviously, need support.

No, what I'm concerned about is that the medical establishment actually conspired with this idiot female to enable her to bear eight babies through in-vitro fertilization. I submit that this constitutes medical malpractice. It's not the woman who should be punished. She's just a confused ding-bat. The AMA and the state's licensing agency should take a look and such practices and decide whether MDs performing them deserve to continue to have their licenses to practice medicine.
littlek
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 08:31 am
Boomer, we don't have 400 million tax-payers in this country? But, I spuppose that's a moot point.

There need to be AMA guidelines. Not lines, but guideline as to procedures on numbers of eggs implanted given a patients age, health, birthing history. Let's let the medical profession police itself and see what happens. There will always be the quack who pushes it, but maybe there will be fewer of them.

I fear that those kids will grow up under poor circumstances, indeed. Regardless of how much help we give her monetarily, they will never get enough individual attention from their mom. Photos I've seen of her home before these kids come home show it looking like a disaster area.

The wife of the couple who are on TV and have 8 kids (two sets of multis) has been making the rounds on TV interview shows. She has some interesting things to say.
boomerang
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 09:08 am
I didn't say we had 400,000,000 taxpayers.

And I agree, the kids are here and I don't want them to starve. I donate time, money and goods to organizations working to ensure that every kid has something to eat.

But I really agree with little k that money for food is the least of these kid's problems.
littlek
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 09:25 am
@boomerang,
I guess I missed your pennies per person point,t hen. I thpught you were speaking to taxpayer input to support her family.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 09:33 am
@littlek,
littlek wrote:

Boomer, we don't have 400 million tax-payers in this country? But, I spuppose that's a moot point.




The penny per person was my idea/point.

According to the census , we have approx 400 million so called tax payers.

I say so called because we all know that not everyone is employed 100% of the time. And at 400 million, IF the final bill for that family of too many was 1.3 mil, that is about a penny a person. It isnt like one or two people shoulder that bill. Broken down over the entire society, the actual , traceable amount I am willing to bet is abotu a penny.

but that is just a guess and nothing concrete.

I agree that it is a sign of something bigger. Absolutely.

I also wonder WHY someone who was getting benefits in the first place, does not have a job, nor can afford to own or rent their own place was allowed to ( and had to be funded by someone!) have 8 babies.
That is a huge assumption on someones part.
An assumption of government assistance.
An assumption of the public's desire and ability to help etc..etc.

Trust me, I am not standing on the moms side in this. I think what she chose to do SHOULD constitute some kind of child abuse.
I just cant stand by the argument of tax payers dollars .... but for that I have my own odd ball views..
littlek
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 09:57 am
@shewolfnm,
But our estimated total population is only 300 million. And our taxpaying population is around 138 million.
djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 10:01 am
@littlek,
don't forget according to nancy pelosi you guys are losing 500 million jobs every month

by the end of the year everybody in the us will have lost around 18 jobs, so who's going to pay for the babies then

Razz

littlek
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 10:29 am
@djjd62,
Hmmmm.... what's up with all the conflicting numbers?
shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 10:31 am
@littlek,
oops. Embarrassed

yup
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html

next time I need to double check my links first.
I was reading from a website that was projecting instead of stating the facts.

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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 10:31 am
@littlek,
well, i'm just being an ass, making fun of pelosi's slip up, but your numbers seem to be the most accurate to me
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 10:32 am
@littlek,
littlek wrote:

Hmmmm.... what's up with all the conflicting numbers?


I have found links that state everything from 303 mil and some change to 402 mil.

I wonder what they base their census on .
Who is getting a w2?
who is signing the paper at the door?
Driver license?

odd.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 10:33 am
S'ok, I was being picky.

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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 10:35 am
There's got to be a range due to undocumented 'visitors'. Some of them work and pay taxes, but don't show up on census figures.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 01:09 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Quote:
I'm not particularly concerned about the money. It doesn't matter how a person got into a mess. When a person is in a mess, the humane thing for us to do is to try and help. You can scold the woman for being foolish to your heart's content but those babies aren't responsible and, obviously, need support.


I agree with your statement, Andy! Those babies are here and they need help.
If anyone should be punished than it's the fertility physician who repeatedly
implanted 8 to 10 fertilized eggs into her - and probably other woman too.

There should be a very strict ethics committee of the medical board
overseeing infertility treatments and fertility specialists.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 02:58 pm
@dirrtydozen22,
dirrtydozen22 wrote:
Seriously, these tax dollars should go to ppl who truly deserve it, like those with far fewer children and working full time but still struggling to make ends meet.

Or to "ppl" like her children perhaps? The tax dollars aren't for the mother. They are for the children; the mother is only the money's and the children's custodian. Why should the government abandon eight innocent children for the crime of being born to an irresponsible mother, who in turn conceived them through irresponsible doctors?

EDIT: Or in other words, what dagmaraka said.
Magginkat
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2009 04:41 pm
@Thomas,
The government should not abandon these children but they darn sure should keep a close eye on the mother and what she spends the money for. Already it's been exposed that her parents who were supporting her first 6 kids didn't know that she was collecting disability. She used the money for a nose job and lip implants/injections that make her mouth look like she has been slammed with a baseball bat and of course more implanted eggs to produce more children.

Hopefully no doctor will ever again help this insane woman produce another child.

 

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