Move to make circumcision illegal

Tex-Star
Humor is in the eyes of the beholder

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Ha!Ha! You've got that right! Razz

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I've always thought circumcision was a bizarre and twisted ritual. Why would anyone ever want to do such a thing?!?

I've debated it with many friends, read, and researched as much as I can. It turns out the practice was no big deal until the Cold War, when hospitals automated and dehumanized much of medicine. And then industry kicked in.

Most doctors are pretty unscrupulous about pushing whatever drugs give them large kick-backs, and recommending whatever procedures help build their business the most. The customer only sees one small side of it, and has no real clue hwo ruthless and profiteering it is. But that's why is always good to get second and third opinions, just as you would with a questionable car mechanic.

Why are foreskins still being taken at all? And so eagerly?
Sorry to say it, but it's the Frankenstein Effect. It's extremely valuable because it's FRESH!

"With annual revenues estimated at $1 billion, circumcision is an industry that involves medical equipment manufacturers, insurance companies, physicians, and biotech firms."
http://www.cirp.org/news/1998.04:Icon/

"Products like Dermagraft-TC, which sells for about $3,000 per square foot, are grown from the cells in infant foreskins and used as a temporary wound covering for burn patients. One foreskin contains enough genetic material to grow 250,000 square feet of skin."
http://www.foreskin.org/f4sale.htm

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There's something here that i've thought about recently, and has been bothering me since. Surely, Jews and Muslims should respect that God made them and that they should be kept whole. Are they saying they think God is unable to make a dick right and they have to complete it?

I asked this to a friend of mine, whom is a mulim. He says well, you cut your hair all the time.

Trouble with his arguement is that hair can fully grow back and you could have it as nature intended in weeks.

Foreskin resoration takes years and never undoes the full damage. I should no. Because of this ( and a few other things to do with my upbringing ) , I am sad to say that i genuinely hate her.

P.s. If you haven't gathered yet, I am chopped (at 5 ) and would do anything I could to have been able to stop it. I will do anything I can do to stop this brutality.

I can assure you, being able to get no pleasure out of wanking is not a good thing

[email protected] if you want to contact me

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Sick parents
I think, that the parents put their boy thru circumcision purely for the money. I think that they shud b put away. Who recons they're gonna giv the money 2 the poor kid they mutilated. Even if they did, no amount of money can compensate for the damage. Parents have no right to consent; only the child, after he's 18

Please see my site:

http://nochop.tripod.com

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Stop circumcision

edgarblythe wrote:

Lawsuits aside, circumcision is not necessary. Why put someone through it?

You're quite right. If you want any more info, see my site:

http://nochop.tripod.com

p.s. do u recon i shud make a purly sarcastic procirc site?

also, you should sign the petition to make it properly illegal - it already kinda is, but add your name, and get others to, to this:

http://montagunocircpetition.org/index.php?pcf=petitionform

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sos to keep making a lot of individual messages

dlowan wrote:

Why on EARTH would circumcised men masturbate more than uncircumcized men?

Easy q, that. Basically, when you're mutilated, you have reduces pleasure, and have to do much more sexual action to be sexually satisfied.

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Re: Sick parents

[email protected] wrote:

I think, that the parents put their boy thru circumcision purely for the money. I think that they shud b put away. Who recons they're gonna giv the money 2 the poor kid they mutilated. Even if they did, no amount of money can compensate for the damage. Parents have no right to consent; only the child, after he's 18

Please see my site:

http://spammingsite.com

Sury got lots of pop up ads with your site.

Uh, if parents are doing it for the money, will you please tell us who is paying for all the foreskins?

So far as God and perfection go, you might notice a contract between him and Abraham (Ibriham if you are Muslim.)

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New Haven wrote:

blacksmith:

Outlaws?

This medical procedure is common among observant Jews and Muslims.
Would you call these groups "outlaws"?

Most definately, if they choose to do this. Jews are required to do female circumcision. They don't tho, cos of the law. Infact, to jews, neither is nessessary, just recommended

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Re: Sick parents

roger wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
I think, that the parents put their boy thru circumcision purely for the money. I think that they shud b put away. Who recons they're gonna giv the money 2 the poor kid they mutilated. Even if they did, no amount of money can compensate for the damage. Parents have no right to consent; only the child, after he's 18

Please see my site:

http://spammingsite.com

Sury got lots of pop up ads with your site.

Uh, if parents are doing it for the money, will you please tell us who is paying for all the foreskins?

So far as God and perfection go, you might notice a contract between him and Abraham (Ibriham if you are Muslim.)

Lawsuit money, that is, I think they have planned the whole thing. P.s. I know the popups r annoyin - tripod forces them on me

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Couldn't agree more

steissd wrote:

I do not think that circumcision should be completely illegal, but it is necessary to prohibit to parents to circumcise kids under age of 18. Everyone having reached this age should decide alone whether to undergo the operation or not. I know that this contradicts the norms of Judaism and Islam, but, IMHO, kids should decide whether they want to be adherents of this religion only after having become mature enough to make a proper decision regarding their bodies and conscience.

I couldn't agree more. We also need to watch out for made up medical reasons - it's common in England for a doctor to make up some story about an infection under the foreskin

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New Haven wrote:

A mild topical anesthetic would have prevented the pain.

Nop, plenty of pain 4 2 weeks after.

Also, it causes disconfort for the rest of your life. YOu can usually block it out, but it affects you, even if you don't realise it. I know I only did when I started restoration

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New Haven wrote:

Prohibit the procedure on children < 18 years of age?

Does not conform with Jewish law.

What a shame - isn't it more important that the poor boy mite not want to be mutilated, and mite not want 2 b jewish.

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fishin' wrote:

steissd wrote:
I do not think that circumcision should be completely illegal, but it is necessary to prohibit to parents to circumcise kids under age of 18.

On what basis should the parents be stripped of the right to make decisions on the behalf of their minor children? Should they also be restricted from taking their child to a doctor to get immunizations? Some of those shots hurt pretty badly! Should we also prevent parents from taking their children to the dentist to have cavities drilled/filled?

Where is the line drawn and who gets to make that decision?

Let's face it - immunisations have advantages and (probably) have no disadvantages. Exact opposite of genital mutilation

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au1929 wrote:

steissd

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I do not think that circumcision should be completely illegal, but it is necessary to prohibit to parents to circumcise kids under age of 18. Everyone having reached this age should decide alone whether to undergo the operation or not

Just the thought of being circumcised at the age of 18 or older makes me shudder. It is at that age an extremely painful experience. If it is going to be done at all infancy is the right time to do it. It has been practiced by the Jewish people for thousands of years with no ill effects and was no doubt designed to foster health and cleanliness. I should note that circumcision is a ritual that all Jews secular and religious adhere to. To ban it would be a slap at religious freedom.
The Moslems also circumcise their young men but I believe at about the age of 12. Oh that hurts.

What i think you ent cing here is circumcision is clearly wrong. It should only be allowed at 18. OR even not at all. I don't believe after birth is the best time to do it even if there was a single genuine reason for it.

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edgarblythe wrote:

When my son was born he was not circumcised, which was fine with me. But my wife was uncertain and her sister went ballistic when I resisted. She said the skin was stuck so it could not move back and therefore the procedure was absolutely necessary. I knew that as he grew it would be just fine, but I let her railroad me into it. I have regretted the decision I made for thirty years. After all, as I earlier pointed out, men in my family history have never been circumcised in any cases I am aware of and there have never been any disease or other problems as a result.

Shame. It's not really your fault. You were bullied into it. Don't feel guilty. Mebbe you could help him start restoring.

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Tex-Star wrote:

New Haven wrote:

Adult woman who convert to Judaism are required to go to the Mikvah to complete the conversion process.

Please explain. Do you mean the ritual bathing, dietary, or what? Seems to me it was both.

According to the links the penis is a "system" and is self-cleaning. I am finding it interesting that the parents, in one link, are advised to not "clean" their son's penis or touch it for any reason. For some reason I am agreeing with this. Neither should a woman use a douch (doush, dousch?) as her inner body is also self cleansing.

I am just wondering as this procedure seems such an invasion. But, infants DO remember pain, even if not the act. Babies who are sexually assaulted will be affected, will recall, WILL be mentally and emotionally damaged.

Tex-Star I recall a college philosophy teacher saying: There IS no "authority," YOU are the authority.

Afraid you're right, but restoration helps mentally even more than physically. it's not as irreversable as peopel think, but is still wrong and not completely reversable

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celticclover wrote:

I feel that if we were born with it, then we should keep it. This is not an issue about whether people are born with a sixth toe or an extra ear. EVERY male is born with a foreskin.

Before you know it, some one will go in for the kill on a doctor/midwife, who cut and tied their umbilical cord, and now they have an outtie when they wanted an innie and vice versa.

Your first para seems 2 disagree wiz the second. btw, I have an innie, and like it that way. lol.

Thing is, in nature, you'd have a worse looking belly button than you do in today's society (i assume). Whereas, circumcision gives you a worse outcome than nature intended.

ie. cos the above don seem 2 make much sense reading bak, belly buttons - either way they're superiour to the natural one, dicks - they're either left alone and equal to nature, or circumcised and far inferiour.

Does that make sense?

lol

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Idea:

au1929 wrote:

New Haven
I have my circumcision and you have your Mikvah

sos to clog up the forum btw, I talk 2 much.

Cudn't the men have a bath thingy too? and wash under the foreskin as part of it. Just a thought

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[email protected], holy crap, you are on a rant here...listen, I don't want to make this personal, but I was born Jewish, was circumsized as a baby, and I get PLENTY of pleasure from both sex and masturbation. I am sorry for your personal plight, but quite frankly, if you want to make circumcision illegal, narrow your parameters, or vote for the reinstatement of church and state. Last I heard, Jews are not required to circumcize females. Where the hell did you get that info? The internet, I presume.

CodeBorg, you of all people I would think would be sympathetic to a practice based in centuries of history, done in the proper religious context. Hospitals be damned, and yes, we all know that there are botches, and unscrupulous doctors out for a buck, but that is a seperate problem from the religious roots of circumcision, which are protected under the constitution, last time I checked, under, hmm, freedom of religion. Make it illegal for non-religious or non-medical reasons if you want, but don't stomp on the beliefs of others acting within the current law. Also, don't slap me with the female circumcision argument....your facts are flawed regarding Jews being required to do that.

Rant over, on to a joke: So a guy needs his watch fixed. He sees a shop with a bunch of clocks in the window. He walks in, and asks the shopkeeper if he can get his watch fixed. The shopkeeper says "No, I'm sorry, I don't fix watches, I'm a Mohel." The guy says "Oh, so what's with all the clocks in the window?" He says "If you were in my profession, what would you put in your window?"

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