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Move to make circumcision illegal

 
 
keviesmum
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2004 08:42 am
dlowan wrote:
44% of 123 is a very small sample - and the majority were HAPPY? This is supportive of your view?

A number of them appear to have had some sort of medical problems.

Also, some loss of erectile function in that age group over a few years is not all that unusual - circumcision or not!


You missed a few points , perhaps you should actually read the study itself:

http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/fink1/

The majority were "satisfied" with the results--having their "problem" corrected (even though they were not told of the non-surgical options) and having sensation loss and impaired erectile function.

And "needing" a circumcision minimizes any cultural or sociological pathology affecting the perception of the outcome.

I think you failed to notice that this erectile impairment was a sequelae of the circumcision and not due to your claims of age (some as young as 18).

So, where is YOUR evidence? I see a lot of idle speculation, but not a single piece of tangible information
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keviesmum
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2004 08:45 am
A FREE "preponderance of evidence":

ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION:

A. DIRECT:

http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/fink1/

http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/stinson/

Impotence and adult circumcision. Stinson JM. Journal of the National Medical Association 1973;65:161,179.

http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/stief1/

B. INDIRECT:

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/1999/12/19/Health/Health.441.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/viagra/newsid_105000/105016.stm

http://news.muzi.com/ll/english/1101338.shtml

http://www.pfizer.com/pfizerinc/investing/annual/earnings/2000Q1earnfin.html

http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/viagra/newsid_95000/95208.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1182000/1182604.stm

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/980619/1998061903.html

http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/despatches/newsid_97000/97479.stm

http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/viagra/newsid_95000/95208.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1182000/1182604.stm

PLAUSIBLE MECHANISM:

Note, for those unfamilar with the mechanics of erection, it is accomplished withan inflow of NITRIC OXIDE to relax the muscles allowing greater blood flow into the penis.

GROWTH HORMONE ENHANCES REGENERATION OF NITRIC OXIDE YNTHASE-CONTAINING PENILE NERVES AFTER CAVERNOUS NERVE NEUROTOMY IN RATS

GYUNG-WOO JUNG; E. MARTINE SPENCER; TOM F LUE
From the Department of Urology, University of California School of Medicine,San Francisco, California Accepted for publication June 10, 1998.
(LUE) Requests for reprints: Department of Urology, U-575, University ofCalifornia, San Francisco, CA 94143-0738.

THE JOURNAL OF UROLOGY 1998;160:1899-1904
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Abstract
Purpose: As growth hormone has been reported to improve nerve regeneration, we studied the effect of rat growth hormone (GH) on the regeneration of nitric oxide synthase (NOS)-containing penile nerves and the neurons in the pelvic ganglia after unilateral cavernous nerve neurotomy in rats.

Materials and Methods: Male rats were divided into three groups: sham operation (n = 14); unilateral neurotomy of a 5 mm. segment of the cavernous nerve (n = 14) with subsequent injection of buffer solution only; and unilateral neurotomy with GH injection (n = 14). Electrostimulation of the intact cavernous nerve was performed at 1 and 3 months. Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADPH) diaphorase staining was used to identify NOS in penile nerve fibers of the mid-shaft segment and in neurons of the pelvic ganglia.

Results: One month after unilateral neurotomy, both the buffer alone and GH-treated groups showed a significant decrease in NOS-containing nerve fibers in the dorsal and intracavernosal nerves on the side of neurotomy. At 3 months, the number of NOS-containing nerve fibers in the buffer alone group did not increase, while the GH-treated group showed a significant increase. In the GH-treated group at 3 months, more NOS-positive neurons in the pelvic ganglia were found on the intact side than on the side of neurotomy (p <0.034), indicating that the regeneration derives from pelvic ganglion neurons on the intact side. Furthermore, electrostimulation in the GH-treated group revealed a greater maximal intracavernosal pressure and a shorter latency period at 3 months than in those given buffer alone.

Conclusions: Our results show that GH injection significantly enhances the regeneration of NOS-containing fibers in the dorsal and intracavernosal nerves after unilateral cavernous nerve injury. We believe that GH administration may present a new and more physiologic approach to the treatment of erectile dysfunction after radical pelvic surgery.
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keviesmum
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2004 09:01 am
Returning to the original question of Routine (non-therapeutic) infant circumcision.

Circumcision..

is not recommended by any medical organization in the world

does not cure or prevent any non-pathological condition or disease

has no proven benefit-real or potential

has proven harm and damage

is unecessary and causes unnecessary pain

has many proven risks --up to and including penile amputation and death

has many proven complications-immediate and long-term

is bannned in ANY form for ANY reason for US females

is a violation of the human right to bodily integrity

So, can anyone provide a rational reason why this should be legal
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fresco
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2004 02:18 pm
keviesmum

Well said !

In my opinion the key problem is "parental rights".
If these were redefined as "parental responsibilities" then clearly "protection from physical and mental abuse" would be at odds with many religious practices. The problem of "legality" then becomes a matter of debate between whether it rests on "relative" and "absolute" morality.
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keviesmum
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2004 03:07 pm
fresco wrote:
keviesmum

Well said !

In my opinion the key problem is "parental rights".
If these were redefined as "parental responsibilities" then clearly "protection from physical and mental abuse" would be at odds with many religious practices. The problem of "legality" then becomes a matter of debate between whether it rests on "relative" and "absolute" morality.


An excellent point--change the status of infants from property to little humans put in our charge to foster and protect , not damage.
Heavens to actually think of their rights as individual actually taking precedence over their parents' right to damage them--a novel and humane concept. Sounds like an enlightened sense of ethics and morals to me--reminds me of the Swedes.
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