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Terror at Orlando Nightclub, 20 Feared Dead.

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2016 07:58 pm
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/how_to_votes.htm

today's votes are currently on this page

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

roll call for one

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=2&vote=00105

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another site

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes

and another

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2016/index.asp
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2016 10:20 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Are you going to refer to them as "cosmetic" as well? If it is cosmetic then it makes no difference in the gun than legislating that all guns have to be painted pink. Do you really think changing from a single shot to a 30 round magazine is the same as changing the color? Clearly the military doesn't think so, nor do the gun manufacturers that advertise their weapons based on their capabilities.

The features that are being described as cosmetic, are features like pistol grips (which are prohibited under assault weapons bans), not features like having a detachable magazine (which is not prohibited under an assault weapons ban).
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2016 12:28 am
@oralloy,
Gee, oralloy, looks like you're having a REALLY bad week. Despite your years of pontificating about semi-auto riflenbans being unconstitutional because of what you call "cosmetic" features (which are the same features that military auto rifles have, and the military obviously doesn't consider them "cosmetic" or they wouldn't be there), two different circuit courts have upheld the bans, and now the USSC has refused to hear challenges to those bans. Gosh, looks like the bans are constitutional in spite of you. You're wrong .

And your mantra of guns for everybody anywhere at any time, sees the NRA cutting and running. You're way out on a limb here, boyo. NRA spokeman says no one is advocating guns in bars, and in fact think it's a bad idea. Wow, someone at the NRA finally admits guns and alcohol are a toxic mix. And the NRA's argument (and Trump's) that what we need is more guns to take out the shooter also took one in the gut after the massacre at the Pulse, because the club says they had armed security guards there. And we saw just how much good that did, didn't we? No bullseyes for you from any of your arguments. But then despite your self-puffery that's pretty much what we've come to expect from you.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2016 02:12 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Gee, oralloy, looks like you're having a REALLY bad week.

Not really.


MontereyJack wrote:
Despite your years of pontificating about semi-auto riflenbans being unconstitutional because of what you call "cosmetic" features (which are the same features that military auto rifles have, and the military obviously doesn't consider them "cosmetic" or they wouldn't be there), two different circuit courts have upheld the bans, and now the USSC has refused to hear challenges to those bans.

I've known for years now that we didn't have five votes on the court in favor of enforcing the Second Amendment.

More conservative justices will fix that problem. In the meantime we have the NRA to defend the Constitution.


MontereyJack wrote:
Gosh, looks like the bans are constitutional in spite of you. You're wrong .

No, it is quite clear that no one can come up with any justifications for banning pistol grips on a rifle.

The fact that Liberals hate the Constitution doesn't invalidate this.


MontereyJack wrote:
And your mantra of guns for everybody anywhere at any time, sees the NRA cutting and running. You're way out on a limb here, boyo. NRA spokeman says no one is advocating guns in bars, and in fact think it's a bad idea. Wow, someone at the NRA finally admits guns and alcohol are a toxic mix. And the NRA's argument (and Trump's) that what we need is more guns to take out the shooter also took one in the gut after the massacre at the Pulse, because the club says they had armed security guards there. And we saw just how much good that did, didn't we? No bullseyes for you from any of your arguments. But then despite your self-puffery that's pretty much what we've come to expect from you.

The above seems to have little to do with anything that I've ever said.

But I will say that the Orlando shooting is a perfect example of what happens when people are not able to shoot back.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2016 02:57 pm
@George,
You were trying to talk sense to someone who dosent have any. But nice try.
panzade
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2016 03:03 pm
@RABEL222,
A bit harsh.
The debate was everything Robert is trying to foster here.
Thanks George and O.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2016 03:06 pm
@snood,
Put his name in a search engine with voting record after his/her name.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2016 04:39 pm
I'm mixed on this thread now that we know about Eddie. I don't like him lost in all this arguing, but the arguing is important too.

Anyway, new to me just now and extraspecially horrible to know it was a plan:

http://www.sfexaminer.com/feds-orlando-gunman-planned-travel-sf-bay-area/

Tired of that guy's face in the media mentions. We know his particular face already, enough.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2016 05:41 pm
America: where it's easier for a crazy person to get a gun than it is for a sick person to get medication.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2016 05:45 pm
@Wilso,
I get your displeasure.

EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2016 06:21 pm
@ossobuco,
Equality Florida has raised close to 6 million dollars for the victims and their families. Go Fund Me has waived their fee and even donated $100,000.00 to the fund. Every cent will go to support every single victim of this horrific shooting

 http://oi64.tinypic.com/2qj9jz7.jpg
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2016 09:43 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
Good re Equality Florida et al.

To explain myself, I'm an ordinary person of quite low means. I am not gay.
I'm a mouthy woman, presently well aggravated.

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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 22 Jun, 2016 06:25 am
@EqualityFLSTPete,
I'm thankful for such an outpouring of solidarity.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 22 Jun, 2016 07:05 am
A disgusting response by a "pastor," and a cool response by the church's landlord.

http://www.abc10.com/mb/news/local/sacramento/church-leaders-that-praised-orlando-mass-killing-asked-to-move/250925554
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EqualityFLSTPete
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2016 06:46 pm
Today was Eddie’s memorial service. Morgan and Marco flew out from CA along with about 200 other friends.

Equality Florida has now raised over six million!!

On our way to seven!

Hats off to you Top Hat Eddie!

 http://oi68.tinypic.com/2ebxzdl.jpg

 http://oi65.tinypic.com/2nsz97n.jpg

 http://oi64.tinypic.com/dxh3mh.jpg

 http://oi67.tinypic.com/otp890.jpg

 http://oi68.tinypic.com/ieid11.jpg
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2016 07:43 pm
@EqualityFLSTPete,
Sending love.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2016 06:04 pm

Boston marathon survivors visit victims of Pulse nightclub shooting
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2016 06:31 pm
@Region Philbis,
Oh, my. I figure that may be helpful to both.
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jcboy
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2018 04:25 pm
Today is the second anniversary of the Pulse shooting. One friend lost, Eddie, top left.

I'll never forget the phone call.

https://image.ibb.co/iQ9a9d/pulse.jpg
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2018 04:50 pm
@jcboy,
Was just talking to a friend about this. There will be a contingent marching in remembrance of Pulse in our Pride parade again this year. Still recall the moment of silence as the group moved along the route. Chilling.

Wishing you joyous memories of Eddie.
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